The referendum - how will YOU vote?

[royfellows]

I am ever so sorry Simon, its my bizarre way of talking, I must pick up these Americanisms from somewhere. I suppose such talk is considered 'smart' in some quarters, if it misleads people then nothing smart about it at all.

No what I meant in proper English is that other worldwide markets will open up to us as indicated by the recent talks with the Chinese. One thing that we do have is skill and know how.
But I dont want to get into reading tealeaves.

We have a trade deficit which means we import more than we export, and I expect that you feel that this will now get worse after Brexit?

Well its a complicated business, the falling pound has boosted exports, but as I have said before , early days.

BBC website business pages are very upbeat this morning:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business

But again, early days.

EDIT
Here is the BBC webpage on the discussions with China
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-36877573

 

[Disgusted from Cornwall.]

It's very quite clear that the EU is a massive black hole and people are either in it, orbiting it. Negotiations with them mean slightly resetting the process. The 2 speed EU that was being proposed a while ago probably has more orbits before it gets sucked in too.

Leaving the EU means getting outside of this lot IMO. Leaving the orbit, leaving the getting-sucked-in, leaving the inevitable singularity.

 

[bograt]

Maybe we should be looking to re-inforce trading systems with the Commonwealth?, it is has more states than the EU and has existed for longer;

Quote;

" Plan G and inviting Europe to join

At a time when Germany and France, together with Belgium, Italy, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands, were planning for what later became the European Union, and newly independent African countries were joining the Commonwealth, new ideas were floated to prevent Britain from becoming isolated in economic affairs. British trade with the Commonwealth was four times larger than trade with Europe. The British government under Prime Minister Anthony Eden considered in 1956 and 1957 a "plan G" to create a European free trade zone while also protecting the favoured status of the Commonwealth. Britain also considered inviting Scandinavian and other European countries to join the Commonwealth so it would become a major economic common market. At one point in October 1956 Eden and French Prime Minister Guy Mollet discussed having France join the Commonwealth. Nothing came of any of the proposals." *

*-- Frank Heinlein (2013). British Government Policy and Decolonisation, 1945?63: Scrutinising the Official Mind. Taylor & Francis. pp. 137?43.

 

[Laurie]

Will the Commonwealth have us back after the kick in the nuts we gave them by joining the EEC?

 

[Madness]

GlaxoSmithKline

Despite what their chairman has previously said, they are happy to keep investing in Britain.

See BBC News website if you need to know more details.

 

[ChrisB]

I think the seeds of brexit are merely a stage in the theatre

It would be interesting to know how many leave voters had specific objections to the EU, rather than the whole growth driven capitalist 'soft corruption' globalist economy. It seems to me that Brexit, Corbynism, Trumpism, etc are all symptoms of the revolt, and the traditional left/right view of politics are changing. A lot of the traditional supporters of the left are now supporting policies that are much further right, although I don't know if they all realise it.

the very necessary decline of democracy in order to facilitate a variety of socialism rather than the path to misery we are presently taking

I think there's a significant chance that the current model will be broken, I hope it will become more socialist but fear it may be more fascist ("National Socialist").

 

[Disgusted from Cornwall.]

I read a book by the conservative Peter Oborne called "The rise of the political class".

I think this is what's wrong with everything and the reason we will see things we don't like, like Le Pen, Trump, Farage, Hitler.

However, if the political class actually focused on the job, rather than rewarding itself/its cronies, we wouldn't have the problems we have.

The EU is just the grand project of the political class and regardless of it's shortcomings or failings, every solution is "WELL IT'S QUITE CLEAR, WE CLEARLY DIDN'T USE ENOUGH EU!!!!"