The referendum - how will YOU vote?

[royfellows]

Boris? As PM? The man's a buffoon, a fake, and a liar, who's only interested in Boris. So, good PM material then...

in line with his predecessors


more thoughts, isn't that part of the job description?

 

[tamarmole]

Boris? As PM? The man's a buffoon, a fake, and a liar, who's only interested in Boris. So, good PM material then...

The buffoon thing is a carefully cultivated image - make no mistake Boris Johnson is a very intelligent and shrewd operator who knows exactly what he wants and how to get it. 

It is not a good idea to underestimate one's enemies.  It will be a black day if he ever gets into No. 10

 

[Aubrey]

Conspiracy theory: were Boris and Gover really put up as spoilers for the Brexit vote?

 

[tony from suffolk]

Boris Johnson has shown himself to be an unpleasant little man. I like to think his undoubted aspirations to be PM will come to nowt, and he's deluding himself.

 

[Hughie]

If the outcome is to remain in by a narrow margin then nothing will change, and there could always be another referendum, OK, say in 10 years time?
But if its leave, and its only by a narrow margin, then should we be making an irreversible decision without a clear mandate?

Of course, remaining in after such an outcome would indeed come in for a lot of criticism, so another referendum within a reasonable timescale would have to be on the cards.

What think?

If the outcome is to leave, whatever the margin, the EU will ensure there is another referendum in fairly short order. It's happened before. They'll keep asking the question until they get an acceptable answer......

If there's a leave vote, there'll be some pretty hefty re-negotiations going on.
If the remain vote succeed - it will be business as normal.

 

[royfellows]

I think that if we did leave it would be the beginning of the end of the EU. A cynic would say that were putting it out of its misery.


OK, then Farage would probably say, I dunno

 

[droid]

I'm voting to remain, as will most of the rest of my peers, who are either undergrads, postgrads, or scientists.

Please don't bugger up our job prospects by creating another recession and please don't bugger up UK's position as a world leader in science by restricting the flow of ideas and expertise.

I'm a postgrad scientist.

I'm voting 'out'.

 

[Simon Wilson]

I love Europe.

https://youtu.be/y5FliSUfwNg

 

[royfellows]

I love Europe.

https://youtu.be/y5FliSUfwNg

There is an answer to that, but I am too nice a person.

 

[The Old Ruminator]

30m of scaffolding picked up cut to 2 metre lengths and tucked away. That's 50m from our kind benefactor. Is something else going on today ?

 

[royfellows]

Politics and religion are something we are all supposed to fall out over, but on here we don't, only over CROW and gates. Aren't we a rum lot?

My religion is Buddhism, and my politics are really odd in that I don't do political parties, basically I will support any government that leaves me alone and doesn't mess with me.

By this I don't want to feel persecuted every time I go out in my car or be dictated too about what I should eat, or have laws about whether I can fix my own electrics or how hot I can run a shower. I suppose this makes me selfish, so what.

I will be needing some scaff shortly, I hear its cheaper from a steel stockholder before its gets 'certified' or whatever?

 

[NewStuff]

I'm voting to remain, as will most of the rest of my peers, who are either undergrads, postgrads, or scientists.

Please don't bugger up our job prospects by creating another recession and please don't bugger up UK's position as a world leader in science by restricting the flow of ideas and expertise.

I know 2 people with Doctorate's/PHD's that are voting out. Being in Academia does not mean you *must* vote out, or that any of what you said will actually come to pass. So much bullshit on *both* sides.

 

[ZombieCake]

Which side promised free beer in all the caving pubs? And if so which one would actually really deliver on that promise?  :-\
They all seem to have their own vested interests that they want our votes for and we can all then be discarded afterwards until the next time.  I suppose it depends if you want a more UK centric dodgy lot or a more French / German centric dodgy lot.  Lovely.

 

[royfellows]

I am going to stick my neck out here, tomorrow we will know if I am right.

I have gained the impression that there is more determination in "Leave" voters than "Remain".
I was talking to a lady I know on the phone a couple of hours ago and she was an "Leave" voter and described how an old lady she knew need to walk in a Zimmer Frame but was very determined to cast her vote, so my friend helped her round to the polling station. She also was an "Leave" voter.

I wonder if there is a message here.

 

[Simon Wilson]

Roy, you could always emigrate. Most countries in the World are far less regulated than we are. A good friend of mine lives in a place where he enjoys the wonderful freedom of being able to provide his own water supply completely free of any regulation. He tells me that his neighbours would resist any attempt to interfere with what they see as a basic human right to free water. He tells me that they see water as a common resource that anybody has the right to, free of any constraint. He has a well next to his house and so do most of his neighbours. He also has a septic tank and so do his neighbours. A couple of years ago he was infected with a disease that people get from sewage. He was in hospital for weeks (which cost a small fortune) and he very nearly died. They have no rules of the road - his son suffered a broken pelvis when a car smashed into the side of his. They are totally free of the troublesome electrical regulations that we have to endure and he ... I think you get the drift. I've visited him and it seems like Hell to me but he loves it and we have some interesting conversations about democracy and the rule of law. Another thing he likes is that if he has any trouble with the Police he can just pay them some money - great. You should go there; it sounds as though you would like it.

 

[Simon Wilson]

I am going to stick my neck out here, tomorrow we will know if I am right.

I have gained the impression that there is more determination in "Leave" voters than "Remain".
I was talking to a lady I know on the phone a couple of hours ago and she was an "Leave" voter and described how an old lady she knew need to walk in a Zimmer Frame but was very determined to cast her vote, so my friend helped her round to the polling station. She also was an "Leave" voter.

I wonder if there is a message here.

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/racist-nan-definitely-going-to-bother-20160623109718

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Daily Mash spot on there.

 

[Graigwen]

I have just had to queue to vote in Bexley!  I have never known that before, apathy is our style.

The staff report a heavy turnout.

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[Speleofish]

There's half an hour left... I have already voted and I found the decision difficult. On one hand, I sympathise with the idea of Brexit. In the same way, if I was a Scot, I would have found it emotionally compelling to have voted for independence last year. Conversely, given we have an imbalanced economy, I don't see us doing well as an independent country if we are denied access to the financial markets from which we derive much of our income.

If we want to separate from Europe (moot), surely we should first recreate an economy that allows us to survive independently. At present, we have a jackal economy. By definition, this means we are dependent on others. Not a great starting point for an independent existence...

 

[royfellows]

Roy, you could always emigrate. Most countries in the World are far less regulated than we are. A good friend of mine lives in a place where he enjoys the wonderful freedom of being able to provide his own water supply completely free of any regulation. He tells me that his neighbours would resist any attempt to interfere with what they see as a basic human right to free water. He tells me that they see water as a common resource that anybody has the right to, free of any constraint. He has a well next to his house and so do most of his neighbours. He also has a septic tank and so do his neighbours. A couple of years ago he was infected with a disease that people get from sewage. He was in hospital for weeks (which cost a small fortune) and he very nearly died. They have no rules of the road - his son suffered a broken pelvis when a car smashed into the side of his. They are totally free of the troublesome electrical regulations that we have to endure and he ... I think you get the drift. I've visited him and it seems like Hell to me but he loves it and we have some interesting conversations about democracy and the rule of law. Another thing he likes is that if he has any trouble with the Police he can just pay them some money - great. You should go there; it sounds as though you would like it.

You can take any argument to its extremes. My friend and co director of CMT has a place in Wales I stay at where they rely on water from an adit (guess where, but no prize), and of course, a septic tank. We both very much alive.
I wish you the very best Simon to live your life the way you want to, all I ask is the same here.

Oh , by way, been driving for 54 years and never had an insurance claim.

Oh just read your other post.

You seem to have some kind of bizarre fascination with racists and fascists?

As I said above extremes.