The referendum - how will YOU vote?

[blackholesun]

and kill the bees population and possibly cause cancer. That was one of the EU laws if it got banned I would have agreed with.

but does it?
It seems to me that if something works too well it gets banned, then more junk can get sold to return more profit.
Yes, the EU good for business, mmm

It causes cancer in other animals and probably in people. It likely damages bee populations. Don't read about science in newspapers; get it from the source.

And, come on. That line of logic is clearly nonsense and does you no favours.

 

[royfellows]

An atmosphere that people won't express their opinions in? Pah, what nonsense. The reason that many people didn't express their views for this referendum or the last general election is that they know they won't stand up to scrutiny. Either because their view are reprehensible, or not founded on fact, or part of a conspiracy theory etc. If you can't defend your views against even a modicum of criticism, you should be thinking long and hard about whether you should vote.

Exactly. Whether a persons views "stand up to scrutiny" is dependant on the perspective of the person doing the scrutiny. Like the racists and fascists rubbish.

People have voted and now we all have to work together and get along together to keep the country in business until the dust settles.

I meant whether it would stand up to of the owner of the opinions' scrutiny. As in, if you can't have a robust discussion with someone of differing views and still have confidence in your own views, then you should research further before voting. I think many of these silent tories or silent leavers didn't want to have such a discussion for the reasons given before.

Fair comment then, but its the nature of democracy. I think democracy is far from perfect but still the best thing that anyone has yet come up with. Of course, there is a view that expressing any opinion that is against the flow is likely to lead to an argument, and a lot of people just don't want to be bothered arguing.

 

[royfellows]

and kill the bees population and possibly cause cancer. That was one of the EU laws if it got banned I would have agreed with.

but does it?
It seems to me that if something works too well it gets banned, then more junk can get sold to return more profit.
Yes, the EU good for business, mmm

It causes cancer in other animals and probably in people. It likely damages bee populations. Don't read about science in newspapers; get it from the source.

And, come on. That line of logic is clearly nonsense and does you no favours.

just like creosote causes cancer.
Be an interesting exercise to compile a list of banned substances which were in everyday use at some time. Christ, we should all be dead!

My line of logic as you call it is nonsense from your perspective. I am becoming increasingly cynical about everything. It appears that the pursuit of wealth and profit overrides everything.

Try this for size.

I have been approached by a series of  'renewable energy' companies with regard to a hydro scheme at Cwmystwyth. Fair enough as I formulated a plan for a small installation which would involve restoration of some of the mining features.
The latest wants to build a dam from the spoil heaps  which are part of the SAM which would put a major part of the valley under water. I kid you not. And I have had a 'substantial' amount of money offered as part of the deal. No need to ask about my reaction.

 

[Brains]

I am surprised no one has pointed out that with the level of turnout, neither side has achieved a majority. I seem to recall some very local debate on another referendum reccently based on just that argument...

Less tongue in cheek, we now have a mandate for our government to procede with exit negotiations as per the regulations. It no longer matters how we voted as individuals, the democratic process has been done. We have to live that.

What does make me smile is the obviously high number of voting virgins who turned out and found a pencil on a string - as with every state election I have taken part in. They gullibly assumed this was to allow thier votes to be changed. Muppets. Far easier to just bin that box of votes and replace with another preprepared with the result wanted, or to stuff the boxes with "correct" votes, or any other of the numerous scams in use round the world

 

[Laurie]

At this time of year most grapes are unripe.

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Less tongue in cheek, we now have a mandate for our government to procede with exit negotiations as per the regulations. It no longer matters how we voted as individuals, the democratic process has been done. We have to live that.

Do we though? Maybe we could repeat the entire sorry episode.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215/

 

[tamarmole]

Watching the ITV referendum coverage:  They interviewed a woman from Ebbw Vale who voted leave.  Her reasons were as follows:  The EU have spent millions on regeneration in the Valleys whilst her local council has shut the local loos.  For this reason she voted to leave. 

Am I missing something here?

 

[Brains]

I believe a certain Mr F was on TV this morning, saying how ?350m per week could NOT be spent on the NHS as it was a mistake...
That petition already has over the 100,000 votes, but I dont think I have the stomach for all that bull again.
Apparently some people now believe BoJo is in charge following MrC's step down
Some say the Turkeys have voted for Christmas, and queues are forming outside the passport office in Dublin.
Scotland and NI arenow looking for a vote as they dont want to be dragged out with Englans and Wales...

Best pop down the Winchester for a pint until this all blows over...

 

[royfellows]

Watching the ITV referendum coverage:  They interviewed a woman from Ebbw Vale who voted leave.  Her reasons were as follows:  The EU have spent millions on regeneration in the Valleys whilst her local council has shut the local loos.  For this reason she voted to leave. 

Am I missing something here?

Yes Rick, the millions spent was our money to start with.

 

[Alex]

Best pop down the Winchester for a pint until this all blows over...

Better still down a cave!

 

[alastairgott]

Some say the Turkeys have voted for Christmas, and queues are forming outside the passport office in Dublin.

...but we call it the Bre STInG in the tail.

 

[Carbide1]

and I will still be able to buy glyphosate to keep my paths and patio clear, so there!

Perhaps even creosote will be 'over the counter' again

 

[Brains]

Best pop down the Winchester for a pint until this all blows over...

Better still down a cave!

 

[Roger W]

'It's all very well taking that attitude - but what will this do to the price of caving gear?

 

[royfellows]

Caving Supplies own manufactured products make a comeback. Roll it out Phil


Afterthought: Could be something in this as I believe that its was expensive EU 'Pay and Display' mandatory certification which stopped it all. If I wrong I will stand correction on this.

 

[Brains]

I could do with a new Protex, dust the moulds off and getting making

 

[Rhys]

Out - the EU want our money so they will not let us go. We will be in a position to negotiate the deal Cameron should have got.

Err they already said there will be NO re-entry deals if we leave.

We wont actually leave. We will just be in a better negotiating position.

So when is this negotiating you mentioned going to happen?

 

[Rhys]

If the outcome is to remain in by a narrow margin then nothing will change, and there could always be another referendum, OK, say in 10 years time?
But if its leave, and its only by a narrow margin, then should we be making an irreversible decision without a clear mandate?

Of course, remaining in after such an outcome would indeed come in for a lot of criticism, so another referendum within a reasonable timescale would have to be on the cards.

What think?

If the outcome is to leave, whatever the margin, the EU will ensure there is another referendum in fairly short order. It's happened before. They'll keep asking the question until they get an acceptable answer......

If there's a leave vote, there'll be some pretty hefty re-negotiations going on.
If the remain vote succeed - it will be business as normal.

When's the second referendum? I'm looking forward to that.

 

[The Old Ruminator]

Mendip was the only non city council in Somerset to vote remain. I wonder why that is ?

There are a lot of grumpy old cavers living up there ---

 

[tony from suffolk]

When's the second referendum? I'm looking forward to that.

Well, Nigel's up for it - http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017