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Offline E McK

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Water Icicle Survey
« on: February 23, 2021, 07:39:31 pm »
Does anybody have a survey for WICC I could have a gander at?

Searched Google and this site and couldn't find one!

TIA  ;D
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2021, 08:18:52 pm »
There's a simple one here:
https://thedca.org.uk/sssi-monitoring/sssi/lathkill-dale

Although it's very out of date!
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2021, 08:30:32 pm »
Dirty old mines need love too....

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2021, 08:59:03 pm »
Thanks!
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2021, 09:48:42 am »
Hi,

Attached is a survey that includes the 2009 (gated) and 2012 extensions.  :)

Access arrangements here if you need them:
https://peakdistrictcaving.info/home/the-caves/lathkill-dale/water-icicle-close-cavern

Thanks,
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2021, 01:06:18 pm »
That survey's now been added to the PDCI entry too.

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2021, 11:33:33 pm »
The Lathkill Survex file has some up to date squiggles for Water Icicle, the survey in CoPD doesn't have the 2012 extension but has nice detail for the 2009 extensions.

Having been down there I find it an interesting place, big passages which are isolated from other systems but which must link to as yet unseen by human eyes passage and then to who knows where.

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2021, 10:05:40 am »
which must link to as yet unseen by human eyes passage and then to who knows where.

There are several on-going digs involving various OCC members. Two are heading downwards (The Elevator, and Faith/Hope/Charity), and two horizontal (Oh No! Choke, and the choke at the end of Urchin Passage). The Elevator and Oh No! Choke have both had a lot of work put in, but frustratingly neither haven't produced any results yet. They're both on the back burner for time being, but the intention is to pick them up again at some point. Faith/Hope/Charity will hopefully see more work this year. The end of Olympic Stroll had a bit of work done early on, and there is a plan to looking at this again.
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2021, 10:35:00 pm »
I've wondered where the choke at the end of the north passage goes, looking at the surveys it points roughly the same direction as the end of Urchin and Olympic Stroll

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2021, 11:33:39 pm »
I've wondered where the choke at the end of the north passage goes, looking at the surveys it points roughly the same direction as the end of Urchin and Olympic Stroll
Yes, definitely heading in a similar direction. I get the impression this is a downstream passage, with the roof slowly lowering until the floor is met. I think John Beck did a projection of the this passage many years ago, and it headed towards a shallow valley about 300m away.
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2021, 10:52:45 am »
I think John Beck's thesis speculated that a feature in the western arm of Cales Dale might intersect passages on the same horizon as Water Icicle.

I also seem to remember being told about a phreatic tube heading south from Arbour Low mine, although I never saw it. I guess this has now been lost to infilling.

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2021, 12:12:49 pm »
I also seem to remember being told about a phreatic tube heading south from Arbour Low mine, although I never saw it. I guess this has now been lost to infilling.
Thanks Fishes, that's interesting - I'd not heard of a phreatic tube being noted down Arbour Low Mine. It would be interesting to hear of the dimensions, length, location and heading.
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2021, 02:21:32 pm »
The workings have been inaccessible for many, many years - Richard Shaw went down there in 1980/81 ten years after mining ceased but he makes no mention of any significant natural down there: https://pdmhs.co.uk/MiningHistory/Bulletin%2015-1%20-%20Arbor%20Low%20Calcite%20Mine,%20Youlgreave,%20Derbyshire.pdf
I can ask him if he remembers seeing any phreatic tubes but if it was in one of the lowest levels that had already been filled with tailings by 1980 he won't have seen it, and even if he did his memory of it after 40 years may be a bit hazy!
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2021, 03:21:11 pm »
Most of Arbour Low was still open in the late 1980's/early 1990's although some the lower workings were flooded. There was rather precarious walkway suspended on metal pins above a flooded stope near the bottom. I never saw the tube but I'm sure it was someone from Orpheus who told me about it around that time.

I had a real fright one day when exploring one of the open stopes that still there at the time. The floor beneath me gave way and I started falling for what seemed like a long time but was actually only the depth of a rusty oil drum.


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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2021, 03:37:22 pm »
The workings have been inaccessible for many, many years - Richard Shaw went down there in 1980/81 ten years after mining ceased but he makes no mention of any significant natural down there: https://pdmhs.co.uk/MiningHistory/Bulletin%2015-1%20-%20Arbor%20Low%20Calcite%20Mine,%20Youlgreave,%20Derbyshire.pdf
I can ask him if he remembers seeing any phreatic tubes but if it was in one of the lowest levels that had already been filled with tailings by 1980 he won't have seen it, and even if he did his memory of it after 40 years may be a bit hazy!

Thanks for that article AR. :)

Yes, if it's not too much trouble, it would be interesting to hear if can recall anything natural.
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2021, 03:43:12 pm »
I never saw the tube but I'm sure it was someone from Orpheus who told me about it around that time.
Ahh really - Ok - I'll ask around :-)

I had a real fright one day when exploring one of the open stopes that still there at the time. The floor beneath me gave way and I started falling for what seemed like a long time but was actually only the depth of a rusty oil drum.
Scary; I can just imagine what went through your mind! I remember once I stood in what I thought was going to be a puddle of murky water.... turned out it was much deeper; I temporarily disappeared, and quickly scrambled out again! Wet through top to bottom. That was a bit of shock! :o
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2021, 08:39:02 pm »
Remembered I'd got a copy of Richard's PhD thesis, which was why he was poking round in the mine - no mention of anything sizeable but he did take a sediment sample from a bit of phreatic, and he reproduced a section - attached.
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2021, 11:20:12 pm »
Thanks AR :thumbsup: Interesting to see; a shame it's long gone!
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2021, 09:54:46 pm »
Really impressive mine,

The effort gone into the digs is cool to see.
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2021, 11:01:10 am »
I don't remember seeing any natural down Long Rake Calcite Mine either, though to be fair virtually everything had been stoped out in the sections I saw - never been on the west side of the shaft either.

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2021, 01:01:37 pm »
If you climb up the ore chutes on the east side of the shaft it is possible to go west.
There are some remnants of natural but it is mainly mined out. The best place for natural is in the area of the of the decline on the lowest level.
B B was looking at it.
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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2021, 01:07:55 pm »
Can't see TB letting anyone go look now though - it was pretty horrendous down there even on the 300.

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2021, 08:00:11 am »
Really impressive mine,

The effort gone into the digs is cool to see.

[/size]... And the lack of passage produced is annoying. As already stated there are plans to hit these digs again, we just need more diggers, end to restrictions, scaffold, clips, boards, spades, bang and lots of tea :lol: :lol:
Blah blah blah- yea whatever!

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Re: Water Icicle Survey
« Reply #23 on: March 16, 2021, 03:08:33 pm »
I'd be keen to to come and help!
Where there's a will there's a way :)

 

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