I wouldn't worry too much about Tim promoting his views, the CSCC reps are doing the same in their email networks in favour of Russell.
Right, I am pi$$ed off. I am sick to death of the constant whining and carping and undermining of the CSCC that has been occurring. Perhaps as CSCC Chair I should be more tactful, but all I see is an un-ending spite being unloaded onto a group of people who work their socks off to try and benefit all underground explorers in the south. I for one am very proud of the work that CSCC Officers do, mostly without recognition or thanks. Yes I would be the first to agree that the CSCC needs change, indeed that is why I stood as chair last year, but I am utterly dismayed by the vitriol directed at individuals just because they hold a differing view. It is notable that the attacks continue despite real progress being made in some areas.I am not a political animal by nature, indeed I spent most of my caving career actively trying to avoid any involvement in committees and representative bodies. After a year or so of getting caught up in it I see I was wiser in my youth! Frankly the behaviours shown by many in the UK caving politics scene are those most usually seen on the playground of junior schools. The incessant back room manoeuvring, personal attacks and shear two faced sniping are something to behold. For some democracy is only acceptable if it reflects their own agenda and they see anyone with a different viewpoint as the enemy to be eliminated.In short we have a downright toxic system with some really nasty behaviour that sucks the life and soul out of all involved. For me it has wrecked caving as a hobby that I have loved for over 35 years. I have gone from being underground once or twice every week to essentially having no interest in the sport whatsoever it has been that poisonous. It has also destroyed many other good people, including personal friends over the last few years. No one person or group is solely responsible for this, but EVERYONE involved (including some who have posted on this thread) need to look at their actions and ask if they are part of the problem - as pointed out by a recent BCA Chair who was hounded out by this sort of behaviour.My honest opinionis that BCA is on the cusp of collapse and unless the average British Caving politician can grow up and stop acting like a bunch of spoilt 5 year olds then it will be the worse for the sport.It goes without saying that these are my own personal views and are not posted in my capacity as CSCC Chair.
Josh, exactly what has been misrepresented?
If you want to look for the toxicity in British caving then the needle points firmly to the south. I don't know which BCA chair was hounded out of the position but I do know a recent BCA Secretary, IT Group convenor, Webmaster, P&I Officer and C&A Officer who were certainly hounded out of office and, by their own resignation statements, it was long serving members of CSCC who shoulder the blame.
I repeat, we ALL have to work towards building bridges rather than creating them if BCA is to survive.
Regarding members expressing opinions or places where members of BCA can discuss and be informed about these issues where else do they go?
Quote from: Badlad on October 12, 2021, 07:44:50 pmRegarding members expressing opinions or places where members of BCA can discuss and be informed about these issues where else do they go?A BCA Forum, members only....to keep gobby opinionated people like me away?
how awful, a forum of back slappers ;-)
Also massively OFF TOPIC
Quote from: cavemanmike on October 13, 2021, 12:51:15 pmAlso massively OFF TOPIC But still relevent to BCA.
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