Hi, Sorry if this is in the wrong place or not allowed but I am looking for an electrician based in the Manchester area or the midlands to work with me on a artificial cave build. the project is for an outdoor activities centre and the powers that be are demanding an emergency lighting system. I think someone who has the skills who is actually interested in what we are doing is needed. If you are an electrical engineer or know a someone who would be interested in being involved in the project please get it touch ASAP! The system is all underground so someone with good outdoor electrical experience is required. again sorry if not allowed - please don't cyber bully me!
I went to the one in Penrith, we borrowed knee and elbow pads, helmet and torch. It was great, but we won't be going again.
Outdoor activities... Artificial cave... Possible scenario being non-caver panicking in dark underground tunnel, so h+s require emergency lighting (installed in convenient stalactites, maybe) to dispel the treacherous shadows and facilitate rescue?
A few years ago on a Scout camp the fire brigade had to be called to extract a youngster from a “cave bus” (a bus full of small passages and tunnels) who had got physically stuck. (She had crawled down a narrowing passage with her knee in front of her hip). I find that most “artificial caves” don’t do a lot to promote caving in a good light (no pun intended!)
This is all beginning to sound like health and safety gone mad. Aren't caves supposed to be dark?
Quote from: Pitlamp on March 19, 2021, 04:29:57 pmThis is all beginning to sound like health and safety gone mad. Aren't caves supposed to be dark?Indeed they are. But many/most have Rn222 levels which make them unusable for professional purposes and the trickle down effect of that is the end of caving clubs and hierarchies, given enough time ('cos that's how most people get into it in the first place). Ergo "fake caves" = future of caving. If there is sufficient illumination within them to dispense with personal lights that makes it more viable and less faffy. Anything, and I mean anything, which encourages people to exercise and experience confined spaces is better than caving evaporating because of legislative diktat.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. CV19 has pretty nearly extinguished outdoor pursuits centres across the nation and it will be interesting to see what that equates to in terms of caving effects over the next 3-5 years. Professional caving (outdoor pursuits) is in the region of 30,000-100,000 person trips per year so is at least an order of magnitude more than club caving therefore it shouldn't be derided as irrelevant. For the under 18s demographic it is unuargably the most relevant caving portal. If it is jeopardised or gets put out to grass then it will definitely knock on to structured adult caving organisations. Rn222 could easily kill off caving. You need to do some homework.
...do I think that commercial caving is the number 1 introducer into regular caving? no (do I have stats to back this up, equally no, in fairness).
Quote from: JoshW on March 19, 2021, 10:25:01 pm...do I think that commercial caving is the number 1 introducer into regular caving? no (do I have stats to back this up, equally no, in fairness). It is. Evidence supports it.
Professional caving (outdoor pursuits) is in the region of 30,000-100,000 person trips per year so is at least an order of magnitude more than club caving.
So if these (club?) cavers only go caving once a month
But the principle of training people to cave properly is important
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