Quote from: royfellows on September 17, 2021, 08:57:03 pmI think one has to seriously consider whether people who spread lies and misinformation on something as serious as vaccination in the midst of a pandemic should be allowed to do so. Was it not the case that the original WHO definition of Pandemic didn't fit the CV-19 agenda so they re-defined it so we now are in a global Pandemic. I vaguely recall that even now we aren't technically in one, by correct definition(s).
I think one has to seriously consider whether people who spread lies and misinformation on something as serious as vaccination in the midst of a pandemic should be allowed to do so.
What I am tediously leading to with all this -- > is if at ~70% double vaccinated Scotland's health service is visibly struggling, can we afford to not press on with vaccination measures such as requiring care home workers to be vaccinated?
The issue is that people who would otherwise go on to lead perfectly healthy lives are dying or sustaining otherwise avoidable lifelong issues, not because they have a COVID infection, but because COVID is clogging up our hospitals, and a significant number op those are un-vaccinated by choice.
Compulsory VaccinationSir, — From time to time some champion of the party which is opposed to vaccination comes forward to air his views in the public Press, but these periodical sallies seldom lead to any discussion, as the inherent weakness of their position renders a reply superfluous. When, however, a gentleman of Colonel Wintle's position makes an attack upon what is commonly considered by those most competent to judge to be one of the greatest victories ever won by science over disease, it is high time that some voice should be raised upon the other side. Hobbies and fads are harmless things as a rule, but when a hobby takes the form of encouraging ignorant people to neglect sanitary precautions and to live in a fool's paradise until bitter experience teaches them their mistake, it becomes a positive danger to the community at large. The interests at stake are so vital that an enormous responsibility rests with the men whose notion of progress is to revert to the condition of things which existed in the dark ages before the dawn of medical science.[more text not shown for brevity]In conclusion I would say that the subject is of such importance, ancestors call and our present immunity from small pox so striking, that it would take a very strong case to justify a change. As long as that case is so weak as to need the argument of morality to enforce it I think that the Vaccination Acts are in no great danger of being repealed.It was Yours faithfully,A. CONAN DOYLE, M.D., C.M.Bush Villa, July 14th, 1887
The stats seem to show that a higher percentage of NHS employees are vaccinated than the general public anyway.
So if basically everyone is vaccinated already, why the hell force it on those few who, for whatever reason, aren't happy taking it?
Kind of agree with you on public transport. Had a bit of a car crash last year and had to go to physio in Brighton. The journeys were most unpleasant - mainly because Brighton is a total dump and full of smack heads, and the nearer you get there there more they use the trains, buses etc. Really unpleasant, and you have to be on your guard. Of course covid isn't on their list to worry about.I'm avoiding any form of public transport as much as I can as I don't trust it.I don't trust 'face coverings' either as most are completely useless and offer no protection other than making you feel good.
It is worth remembering a threatened epidemic (which did not happen and was never going to) in the mid-1990s and mass vaccination to counter it. This turned out to be a deal struck between the UK government and a pharmaceutical company to off-load excess stocks of vaccine (re. Hansard).
Returning to the original question, Jabs or Jobs (which is yet another "boiling frog" example) is wrong and I do not how this can be brought in without a change in Employment Law and Informed Consent practice and supporting Law. But it does not apply to NHS staff, many, many of whom have refused to be vaccinated, something we could do well to know more about. My comments are neither pro or anti- vaccination. I refused subscribe to conspiracy theories from the outset but when it comes to vaccination passports/ID cards with your full medical history on them and all this could mean I think we should take notice. What I would like is more honesty and more transparency. Do we have shambolic management of the pandemic, is everything being done "on the hoof" or is there a plan? What we should be told is how much money is being made and stands to be made for individuals and political party funds. We know that some members of the government and some of their advisors have vested interest in vaccination and testing - let's have the full picture - and let's have independent advice on what should be done.
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