Picking up on some general precaution points in the above comments - 1200 scientists wrote to the Lancet in advance of "freedom day" stating that this was a "murderous policy of herd immunity by mass infection". How stupid was it to tell people to stop taking basic precautions on a day and how stupid have people been to follow this? From the village shop "masks preferred" to three large events I have attended recently where very few have worn masks or socially distanced. We have chaos - and a "murderous policy ----".The "boiling frog" analogy and the use of the mainstream media to manipulate are all too obvious. We will vaccinate the old and vulnerable (but not others, not children) has turned out to be a drive to vaccinate everyone, whatever the efficacy or risks of the vaccines. I recall recently booster doses "not being required" and "being required" in the same day's news! The myth that vaccines protect fully from infection and fully from transmitting Covid has been encouraged and exploited. Having the knowledge that many people do not read or listen past a headline or even bother to seek the news first hand has been very useful in this. Science has said that vaccinating 12-15 year olds had "marginal benefits which had to weighed against side effects" so the government formed its own group to find a reason to vaccinate children in this age group. Now we have a nod to side effects by way of one dose (which is quite illogical but logical enough to sound convincing) a dodgy consent form for parents to sign and a threat to manipulate the Law (Gillicks Law) and use peer pressure to gain consent - all of which are obscene in my eyes. It is worth remembering a threatened epidemic (which did not happen and was never going to) in the mid-1990s and mass vaccination to counter it. This turned out to be a deal struck between the UK government and a pharmaceutical company to off-load excess stocks of vaccine (re. Hansard).On booster doses the scientific advice is that they are not needed, the vaccine would be better employed in other parts of the world, which would limit the spread from these. In addition, giving booster doses will make it more difficult to assess the efficacy of the vaccines. Booster doses have been trailed but now we have the prospect of a trial, within a trial, within the current trial (the whole vaccination programme) as another vaccine is introduced to the mix. It is notable that AZ has quietly been withdrawn with Phizer, Moderna and Novovax substituted.Returning to the original question, Jabs or Jobs (which is yet another "boiling frog" example) is wrong and I do not how this can be brought in without a change in Employment Law and Informed Consent practice and supporting Law. But it does not apply to NHS staff, many, many of whom have refused to be vaccinated, something we could do well to know more about. My comments are neither pro or anti- vaccination. I refused subscribe to conspiracy theories from the outset but when it comes to vaccination passports/ID cards with your full medical history on them and all this could mean I think we should take notice. What I would like is more honesty and more transparency. Do we have shambolic management of the pandemic, is everything being done "on the hoof" or is there a plan? What we should be told is how much money is being made and stands to be made for individuals and political party funds. We know that some members of the government and some of their advisors have vested interest in vaccination and testing - let's have the full picture - and let's have independent advice on what should be done.
People have generally had an adverse reaction to EITHER the first OR second jab, I haven't heard of any cases where it's happened with both.
Weird - I had two AZs and had no side-effects whatsoever on either, other than a slightly sore arm, but then they had stuck a great big needle in it, so it's not surprising that bit hurt. Though I know a couple of people who had to spend a day in bed feeling shit after their first one. I guess everyone's got a different chemistry set.
...I do not how this can be brought in without a change in Employment Law and Informed Consent practice and supporting Law.
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