Amy's TAG weeklong cave ADVENTURE
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barrabus
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Maybe no cute and fluffy, but widely regarded as one of the prettiest caves in the UK once you get past the tidal entrance. (I haven't been there yet though.)
http://tinyurl.com/6hnwdcy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otter_Hole
http://tinyurl.com/6hnwdcy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otter_Hole
paul
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I was reading about the cave and that came up, yeahdroid said:Amy said:Looks awesome!
It is.
It has a tidal sump and the mud is renewed twice a day. So it never dries out, and it gets everywhere... :
I was telling my TAG friend about it and he asked if I had a death wish I totally am adding Otter Hole to my "to do" cave list next time I'm over there (I am watching airline prices like a hawk...again it seems the cheaper flights will be later in the year as standard - usually Oct/Nov and Feb/March are the cheapest flight times to get a Detroit to London flight)
AA Speleo
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Hi Amy, the cave "Otter Hole" has a leader system (plus access for the local clubs) Season usually runs from April to Oct, shouldn`t be a problem to either find a booked club trip you can beg a place on or organise a trip through one of the local clubs (Gloucester SS, Royal Forest of Dean CC or Hades CC) PM Me nearer the time of your visit.
Amy said:I was reading about the cave and that came up, yeahdroid said:Amy said:
It is.
It has a tidal sump and the mud is renewed twice a day. So it never dries out, and it gets everywhere... :
Hey thanks!
I figured it might have a leader system for something like that.
Actually, I really love how ya'all manage your caves over there...it seems to work really well and I don't see near the vandalism that we get in the US caves and even the conditions that (i'm assuming well-used caves like GB and such) popular caves are in are amazing. Here since there is rarely access control and the more popular ones are well known by non-cavers they just get trashed with years of use from people who don't cave softly. Not just trash in the beer cans/garbage/human excrement type but broken/knocked down/now missing formations and spraypaint graffiti as well as etched in graffiti...
I figured it might have a leader system for something like that.
Actually, I really love how ya'all manage your caves over there...it seems to work really well and I don't see near the vandalism that we get in the US caves and even the conditions that (i'm assuming well-used caves like GB and such) popular caves are in are amazing. Here since there is rarely access control and the more popular ones are well known by non-cavers they just get trashed with years of use from people who don't cave softly. Not just trash in the beer cans/garbage/human excrement type but broken/knocked down/now missing formations and spraypaint graffiti as well as etched in graffiti...
graham
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Amy said:Actually, I really love how ya'all manage your caves over there...it seems to work really well and I don't see near the vandalism that we get in the US caves and even the conditions that (i'm assuming well-used caves like GB and such) popular caves are in are amazing. Here since there is rarely access control and the more popular ones are well known by non-cavers they just get trashed with years of use from people who don't cave softly. Not just trash in the beer cans/garbage/human excrement type but broken/knocked down/now missing formations and spraypaint graffiti as well as etched in graffiti...
Thanks for that, Amy. We do get a lot of stick sometimes from people who believe that gating any cave is somehow a denial of their human rights. It's nice to get an outsider's perception of this, sometimes.
No problemgraham said:Amy said:Actually, I really love how ya'all manage your caves over there...it seems to work really well and I don't see near the vandalism that we get in the US caves and even the conditions that (i'm assuming well-used caves like GB and such) popular caves are in are amazing. Here since there is rarely access control and the more popular ones are well known by non-cavers they just get trashed with years of use from people who don't cave softly. Not just trash in the beer cans/garbage/human excrement type but broken/knocked down/now missing formations and spraypaint graffiti as well as etched in graffiti...
Thanks for that, Amy. We do get a lot of stick sometimes from people who believe that gating any cave is somehow a denial of their human rights. It's nice to get an outsider's perception of this, sometimes.
You are all so friendly and such it's not an issue getting access - I mean, you trusted a total stranger and non-UKian (aka me) in your caves so Im not sure what their fuss was about. Complainers will complain, I guess. Here, we get stick from people who don't like it that cave surveys and directions are not public access - but keeping those secret knowledge within grottos and with trusted cavers is the only way really we have to control access since we don't have gates, or leader systems, or anything like that as standard. And in general, we're the same way as you in that regard - join or even just hook up with a grotto and you'll get to go on trips with them and if you don't ruin things or make trouble, you'll get in on where all the stuff is too, no troubles. Most grottos aren't some "secret elite society" - there are a few that have their pious issues but those are the exception. Some caves here get gated - usually ones that conservancies have been able to acquire and deem it necessary, but that's not very many in the grand schemed of things.