BCA AGM - CRoW Report
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Ian Adams
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Cap'n Chris said:
THE "fact" is that the BCA referendum was in FAVOUR of the proposal.
Your twisting, spinning and disgusting betrayal of the facts in an effort to undermine a democratic vote in a democratic institution is not just insulting to the members of the BCA but a betrayal of the very constitution you have signed up for.
Shame on you.
Ian
badger
Active member
think chris's argument is the words used in the report. and his maths is indeed right. he is not saying the vote was not a majority, he is saying those who voted it produced a majority. who can say what those who did not vote view is they did not vote.
so where does that leave us, from my point is that the bca can only work on the figures they got from the vote that of those who voted the majority voted yes. we have a government voted in by us on about the same percentage, we have a government for those who choose not to vote is it the government they wanted?
we could go round and round argueing this pro/anti crow thing for however long.
what is needed is for both sides to take stock, talk about the concerns and address them so that the bca can move forward.
and I think both sides are guilty for want of a better word "political spin" and I am not accusing any one individual, that's the way it is
I also think this is an issue that is not going to be resolved quickly, but will eventually be resolved in crow being applicable to caving, (my opinion)
so where does that leave us, from my point is that the bca can only work on the figures they got from the vote that of those who voted the majority voted yes. we have a government voted in by us on about the same percentage, we have a government for those who choose not to vote is it the government they wanted?
we could go round and round argueing this pro/anti crow thing for however long.
what is needed is for both sides to take stock, talk about the concerns and address them so that the bca can move forward.
and I think both sides are guilty for want of a better word "political spin" and I am not accusing any one individual, that's the way it is
I also think this is an issue that is not going to be resolved quickly, but will eventually be resolved in crow being applicable to caving, (my opinion)
Madness
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Peter Burgess said:
Peter, you obviously don't give a monkey's about what people think about you. You are developing/already have a reputation for being a trouble maker.
There must be something missing from your world if you think all of your stirring and sniping is worthwhile.
Peter Burgess
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See my earlier reply to comments directed by you towards me.
Ian Adams
Active member
Badger ....
As I have repeatedly said, and as Chris repeatedly retorts back with crap;
When a "vote" occurs (in British law), those that do not vote give way to those that do vote.
Therefore, to say that the majority of members did not vote in favour of the proposal is a total misnomer.
The FACT is, the ballot was in favour.
Just like any other democratic vote in the UK INCLUDING the election of Governments and referendums.
Or is the BCA somehow different?
Ian
As I have repeatedly said, and as Chris repeatedly retorts back with crap;
When a "vote" occurs (in British law), those that do not vote give way to those that do vote.
Therefore, to say that the majority of members did not vote in favour of the proposal is a total misnomer.
The FACT is, the ballot was in favour.
Just like any other democratic vote in the UK INCLUDING the election of Governments and referendums.
Or is the BCA somehow different?
Ian
Peter Burgess
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Twas a bit of light-hearted wit to counter the heavy atmosphere.Madness said:
Peter Burgess
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That's just Bolshoi.Jackalpup said:
Peter Burgess
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Shame - it was quite funny!
Madness
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Peter, I do think that you should apologise to Badlad. Suggesting his report is not true is not on. I suspect you're counting on the fact that he's one of the people who run the forum and therefore can't 'react'.
And that seems to be what you're constantly trying to do - provoke people into reacting.
And that seems to be what you're constantly trying to do - provoke people into reacting.
Peter Burgess
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I apologise to Badlad for my joke.
Ian Adams
Active member
mikem said:
You are right ....
I can think of one exception;
During the height of the Drws Cefn/CRoW problems, I was a proponent of unfettered "open access". Having been embroiled in heated exchanges and seeing arguments from all sides, I changed my position to; "I am happy with a gate with a Derbyshire key" (universally).
How many other people (especially those as seemingly entrenched as I am) can say that they too have "modified" their thoughts/opinion?
Ian
cavemanmike
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i cannot believe we are on page 3 already ans 95% of this thread is negative argumentative to what tim is trying hard to achieve. no wonder our sport is in decline. most of the youngsters coming into caving probably give up and take up basket weaving or something (but probably climbing )
