BCA Ballot Results

[moorebooks]

I can't help feeling this should not be discussed here. this forum cannot solve or help solve the issue, stating what was voted on at the agm or council meeting is not going to help resolve the issue. unfortunately I now think this is an issue for the exec to sort

Totally agree

 

[Brains]

Part of BCA's problem was the lack of communication generally in the past, not specific situations.

& suggesting someone's argument is "mere abuse" is somewhat inflammatory, especially as it's nothing like what used to go on on this forum when it was still part of UKClimbing...

To call someone a liar without substantiation is abuse, albeit quite mild in terms of what could be stooped to.
To hear another side of the issue would be beneficial, particularly as the matters are already in the public domain.
For what reason is database access being denied? Is it just the Mendips against the rest of the UK, are there legitimate reasons? Is it just sour grapes? Who on the outside of this bubble knows?
Perhaps the new broom at BCA could play devils advocate and hazard a few bullet points as to the details?
Please tell me it isnt just "we like the old ways and you cant have your way"

 

[mikem]

However, escalating the name calling ain't gonna help anyone - not that I expect Cookie will respond here, as his comment was mainly aimed at previous threads on the forum.

 

[NewStuff]

However, escalating the name calling ain't gonna help anyone - not that I expect Cookie will respond here, as his comment was mainly aimed at previous threads on the forum.

As far as anyone can tell, He's taken the ball (login details) that belong to someone else (the BCA), because he didn't get to play in the position he wanted (Elections at the BCA AGM). That's without airing some of the conspiracy theories floating around that may or may not be accurate.

If this is allowed to happen without decisive action of behalf of the BCA, then many, many people will just let it burn. People that, until now, have put in the time and effort to help change things for the better. If this is allowed to happen, why would you put energy and time into bringing something into touch and upto date, if it can be derailed by one person that doesn't like it? The BCA seems to be trying to be more transparent, and I applaud that. No more skullduggery and hiding in the shadows. Get it in the open, get it sorted, and move on.

As far as abuse goes - If stating facts make someone look like an arse, then maybe they're acting like an arse.

 

[Martin Laverty]

I note that BCA has a perfectly good forum of its own where the initial post of this thread also appeared [ https://british-caving.org.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1565 ] - without any responses so far.

A large proportion of topics and posts on https://british-caving.org.uk/phpBB3 have been made by David Cooke and the person named on the IT Working Group page as responsible for the BCA (sic, not just BCRA) membership system, David Gibson.

Would it not be more appropriate to use BCA's system for discussion with its officers, where they might be less inhibited from responding? Reference to significant posts, and analysis thereof, could then be made on this forum...

 

[Badlad]

I note that the 'Ballot results' post on the BCA forum has had 8 views. 

The same 'Ballot results' post on here has had over 2500. 

It is all about communicating with the membership.  BCA has its own web site, face book page and forum, but it also sends news and items out to all the caving media it can reach, Descent, ukcaving, darkness etc.

BCA has it's own board on ukcaving free of charge as do several other organisations (whereas Descent charges ?3,000 for the six BCA adverts per year).  The thread about the ballot when it first came out had 140 posts and over 10,000 views.  It was really the only place it was discussed with opinions given from all quarters.  Perhaps one day we'll pass ukcaving over to BCA for them to run and manage 

 

[Mark Wright]

I was probably one of the 8, immediately after reading Martin?s post.

I don?t know about handing ukcaving over to the BCA to ?manage?, I?d be more inclined to cancel my ?17.00 payment for next years BCA membership and give it to ukcaving because they appear to do more for British caving than our current national body.

Matt and Gary are keen and eager to take BCA forward and I for one am keen to support them.

Lets get the information handed over to them straight away and stop f__kin? about.

I?m growing less and less confident in the ability of our supposed National body to function. Please prove me wrong and get it sorted before Brexit day.

There?s no doubt this topic will be discussed at length by the Buttered Badgers when we are out in Mulu next week. If the situation isn?t resolved when we get back I think I will encouraging my club to withdraw its BCA membership.

Mark

 

[DavidGibson]

It is a shame that so many couldn't be bothered to vote. It does seem to back up the suggestion that the majority only see the BCA as a source of third party insurance and as long as they keep getting that they're not bothered what else the BCA do.

It would be interesting to know the turnout for DIMs v. CIMs