BCA constitutional changes

langcliffe

langcliffe

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Pitlamp said:
OK thanks - will try that.

Mind you, if there is an issue like this, it might not hurt for BCA to send out another explanatory email directly to its full circulation list.

I mention this because the excellent forum I'm making use of here is a private forum; I'm grateful for any help other forum members have offered but relying on a private forum for BCA voting instructions is potentially open to abuse. Not for one moment am I suggesting that anyone has tried to be manipulative in this way, especially the forum owners. It's just that we don't want any more problems further down the line if BCA members feel they've not had an entirely fair say. Like most reasonably minded forum members I'll happily go along with the outcome of what I believe is a fair vote, whether or not I agree with it.

Before anyone jumps down my throat, please understand I wrote the above with the very best of intentions. If you're thinking of jumping down my throat, at least read it very carefully first.

I'd like to see BCA move on without unnecessary hassle for its officers, who (remember) are volunteers.
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I wouldn't dream of jumping down your throat, Pitlamp, but it may be worth pointing out that the information has also been posted on the BCA forum by the BCA officers. Unfortunately, the BCA forum doesn't have a lot of visibility...
 
Pitlamp

Pitlamp

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Fair comment Langcliffe - and it's an issue which would very much benefit from further attention. (That's certainly not a criticism of anyone and I realise that our BCA officers are probably preoccupied with other things right now.)

By the way, I just missed you at GG last week. Hope you had a good trip!
 
Pitlamp

Pitlamp

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At the risk of folk being critical of my drifting off topic (but intending to pass on useful information), following Langliffe's point above, I just did a search for "BCA forum". It took me to all sorts of places, such as the Billiards Convention of America and some unintelligible site in Indonesia!

I then searched on "British Caving Association forum" and quickly found it. It's here:

http://british-caving.org.uk/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=29

It looks like it wants using . . . . . .

 
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Ian Ball

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Thread misdirection, but a post from Cookie regarding the purpose of the BCA forum back in 06.

Cookie said:
Since the topic has been raised I think it is worth saying what I see as the purpose of the BCA Forum. For those who haven't realised it, I'm the person who setup and administers the BCA Forum. LesW helps out with the admin and moderation.

The BCA Forum is primarily there for BCA and the institutions of British Caving (Regional Councils, Hidden Earth etc). It is for the use of the Officers and those who interact with the institutions. If other members of the caving community want to use it, that fine, but as far as I am concerned that is not its raison d'etre. For example I wont be creating forums for individual clubs whilst UKCaving is willing to host them. As Graham says UKCaving Forum is a great place to chat about 'oles, BCA Forum is about running the organisations and as such I think there is space for both to happily co-exist.

For various reason BCA isn't as good as it should be at communicating with its membership nor between its Officers. I believe a Forum is a great new way of communicating that can make real and practical difference to BCA relationship with its membership and to its smooth running behind the scenes (Call me idealistic :halo:). Thus I got of my arse and set it up. I'm just waiting for BCA's Officers to seize the opportunity they've been given ...  :coffee:

Graham said:
I personally believe that there are two reasons why this place does better than the BCA site (which is visited - sometimes by pr0n spammers  ). The first is that it is older and thus better established, the second is that the BCA site is seen as more "formal" and related to the organisations rather than just being a place to chat about 'oles.
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I agree entirely.
Re the spam, that's only because I allow posting without registering first which I will change once I get bored of the extra work it creates. Actually come to think of it, that's now.

Bubba said:
The BCA forum was set up after this one, and I don't think the UK caving community is big enough to support a lot of forums. As PB says above, another forum is only going to succeed if it offers something different. Ukbouldering.com has still been pretty successful, despite the fact that ukclimbing.com already existed with a huge membership. Why? Because it fills a niche market, and it's properly moderated.
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All true. I think the BCA Forum and UKCaving Forum do occupy different niches.

For completeness, the cost of the BCA Forum is paid for by BCA, although it pretty much gets it for free anyway, since it has to pay for the domain, hosting and database in order to run the BCA Website. My time is voluntary; I get paid nothing except compliments - occasionally.
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Cookie

Cookie

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langcliffe said:
I wouldn't dream of jumping down your throat, Pitlamp, but it may be worth pointing out that the information has also been posted on the BCA forum by the BCA officers. Unfortunately, the BCA forum doesn't have a lot of visibility...
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And to show no favouritism, it was posted on this forum as well. See http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=22358.0

It was also posted the BCA facebook page. See https://www.facebook.com/BritishCavingAssociation/

And to all the member club Secretaries asking them to forward onto their own members.

I considered a follow-up mailshot. If it is deemed to be a real problem I'll do that but so far my impression is that people are able to work it out.
 
Bob Mehew

Bob Mehew

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I am afraid Cookie that the 'hyphen' problem (see http://british-caving.org.uk/wiki3/doku.php?id=start for details) was not included in the email sent to all clubs for forwarding onward to their CIMs nor in the email to DIMs over the last week or two.  But it was also posted on the front page of BCA web site in the 21st as well as on the Adit Now forum. 

I will be sending out a follow up email to all clubs for forwarding and also to all DIMs reminding them if they have not got a ballot paper by 1st September then to contact the BCA Secretary who will issue another one. 

I have had some indications that some clubs have not forwarded on the email however - how do we deal with that?  :-\

And the prize goes to Matt for spotting the missing strike through in the ballot paper. 
 
kay

kay

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Pitlamp said:
At the risk of folk being critical of my drifting off topic (but intending to pass on useful information), following Langliffe's point above, I just did a search for "BCA forum". It took me to all sorts of places, such as the Billiards Convention of America and some unintelligible site in Indonesia!
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Adding "cave" to a search generally helps. Eg  'BCA Cave' will get the BCA website, 'CDG cave' gets the CDG rather than the Casting Directors' Guile or Charles de Gaulle airport. In general, don't search for what you want, search for words you expect to find within what you want. Before the CDG Visbot, I used to search for rainfall records by 'Helwith poteen'.

 
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