Charterhouse Warren farm Swallet

[whitelackington]

Charterhouse Warren Farm Swallet,
which way does the stream go?
Could it conect to the monster vadose passage of Upper Flood Swallet?

 

[Peter Burgess]

which way does the stream go?

Down.

 

[whitelackington]

How funny, you ought to be on the stage

 

[Peter Burgess]

Sorry, I'm having a bad day. I assume Blackmoor Flood Swallet has been proved to feed Cheddar Risings? In which case I would think that the Charterhouse Warren Farm Swallet water would join it en-route. Has CWFS water been traced to a resurgence?

 

[truescrumpy]

when the last time anyone went down CWFS

 

[cap n chris]

It's not a "tourist/visitors" cave; it contains undisturbed archaeology (bones) and hence is really a museum along the lines of Bone Hole/Banwell Bone Cave - for this reason (and the fact that it has an exceptionally difficult/tight entrance - to keep people out IIRC) it does not feature in lists and is best left alone.

 

[whitelackington]

But is there a survey?
Has it been water traced? :doubt:
Does it,
like Timber Hole come under the shadowy influence of The Charterhouse Caving Company?

 

[cap n chris]

Full write up including excellent survey and photographs in UBSS Proceedings. Back copies available (if still in stock) at Wells Museum for a few quid. While you're there you can visit the display of flint implements I found on Mendip; sample photo attached:

 

[cap n chris]

the shadowy influence of The Charterhouse Caving Company

... meaning what?

 

[Peter Burgess]

Meaning, I suppose, that the CCC has an air of mystery about it - it has no website, and no real 'public' face. So, those who are not directly involved in its deliberations will treat the CCC like any stranger they don't know - with suspicion. I am not knocking the CCC, merely suggesting why the CCC is perceived by some as having a 'shadowy influence'.

 

[whitelackington]

Exactly :-\

 

[Peter Burgess]

While you're there you can visit the display of flint implements I found on Mendip;

Very nice. Now try to find the same sort of stuff up on the North or South Downs, where there are natural flints everywhere, and see how you get on - needle in a haystack time.

 

[caverholic]

I don't believe that Charterhouse Warren is part of CCC, its on a farmers land and has a leader system in place, due to its outstanding beauty and the archaeological significance of the place.

I went down about 2 yrs ago now but there is basically only one leader left who will actually run trips now(so I believe).

Would be of great interest to know where the stream goes but the chances of digging there are next to none. I believe it has been given the same grading as Stonehenge or may be higher in terms of protection.

Really nice trip and worthy of being restricted access

 

[whitelackington]

Same farmer Caverholic as our dig of Roman Rift.

I was only mussing if the trickle of water in the botom of CHWFS trickles into Upper Flood Swallet :blink:

 

[Hughie]

Whitelackington, I understand that you can get access to CWFS. As previously posted it's a "led" cave and you need to contact a very slim, competent, female member of the WCC. If you cant work it out, I'll email you.

 

[Andy Sparrow]

Same farmer Caverholic as our dig of Roman Rift.

I was only mussing if the trickle of water in the botom of CHWFS trickles into Upper Flood Swallet :blink:

CHWFS is more than a kilometre from the current end of Upper Flood.  There is no doubt that the 'stream' in CHWFS goes to Cheddar (where else could it go?) but it is not going to be an inlet into Upper Flood.

 

[Les W]

CHWFS is more than a kilometre from the current end of Upper Flood.  There is no doubt that the 'stream' in CHWFS goes to Cheddar (where else could it go?) but it is not going to be an inlet into Upper Flood.

and

"Earlier on today, apparently, a woman rang the BBC and said she heard there was a hurricane on the way… well, if you're watching, don't worry, there isn't." - Michael Fish October 15th 1987.

Never say never! 

 

[Hughie]

There is no doubt that the 'stream' in CHWFS goes to Cheddar (where else could it go?) but it is not going to be an inlet into Upper Flood.

Any reason for thinking that, Andy?

 

[Andy Sparrow]

There is no doubt that the 'stream' in CHWFS goes to Cheddar (where else could it go?) but it is not going to be an inlet into Upper Flood.

Any reason for thinking that, Andy?

The cave is bang in the middle of the Cheddar catchment and will presumably drain into one of the major conduits supplying the risings.  This could be into either the 'Wigmore' or 'Charterhouse' branch (it could be much more complex than this hypothetical two branch model).  We don't know the underground courses of these but the cave is geographically placed between their probable lines.  So, yes, it could form an inlet into the Upper Flood system somewhere distantly downstream of the currenlty known cave.

 

[Les W]

There is no doubt that the 'stream' in CHWFS goes to Cheddar (where else could it go?) but it is not going to be an inlet into Upper Flood.

So, yes, it could form an inlet into the Upper Flood system somewhere distantly downstream of the currenlty known cave.

Is that a "U" turn I see, Mr Sparrow?