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Alkapton

Member
Cookie said:
Alkapton said:
The safest solution I think would be if the BCA email all members again, but this time ask for a reply.  Then send postal ballott to ALL who do not reply.    This is the only way I think you can avoid very serious problems in the vey near future.

Hi Alkapton, asking for a reply is impracticable when you consider there are over 4000 emails to deal with.

Most BCA members are club members. BCA has always relied on the club secretaries to pass along BCA information and announcements. This'll be no different. BCA will rely on them to get the message out that there is a ballot.

We'll endeavor to contact the non-club members by another route. This is more manageable since there aren't so many of them.

There is over a month before ballot papers have to be returned. There is time to get the message out. There is time to re-issue ballot papers if necessary.


A 'simple' script could be devised to process the 40,000 odd incomming emails. I sort of know how to do it in linux.  (umm, yea, the same way you might validate a new member, except instead of click the link to validate, its click the link to remove yourself from postal ballott - it be all automagical)  Something like if email recieved from address remove that person from postal ballott list.      Its not impossible to do it in such a way.      Granney eggs and all.
 

glyders

Member
I had a look when my club secretary emailed me to check. It wasn't in spam, junk or anywhere. I know some email providers block things even before they get to the recipient. Gmail is renowned for this, but possibly Yahoo is doing it too.
 

kay

Well-known member
glyders said:
I had a look when my club secretary emailed me to check. It wasn't in spam, junk or anywhere. I know some email providers block things even before they get to the recipient. Gmail is renowned for this, but possibly Yahoo is doing it too.

I received it on my gmail account.

 

caving_fox

Active member
Bob Mehew said:
Alkapton said:
Despite being member of a Club I am very unlikely to receive any warning from my club as are the other members. 
As I said I will organise to send a reminder to club secretaries to remind their members that they should have individually got the ballot paper.  The first email was just a check so little was lost by members.  The text was

At the recent AGM several proposals to amend the BCA Constitution were passed including the removal of the sentence which some have held is an impediment to BCA campaigning for the Countryside and Rights of Way Act to apply to caving.



That has triggered a ballot of all members since changes to the Constitution must be ratified by the entire membership. The ballot is currently being organised. To save money email addresses will be used wherever possible, hence this email to you.

Since this will be the first time we have used the entire email address list that we hold we felt it was worth sending this pre-ballot email to check that the addresses were working. We will collect any bounced messages and revert to using the post to issue ballot papers for those with a failing email address.

Your ballot paper will be issued by late August with a return by date of 23rd September. The results will be announced at BCA Council meeting on 7th October.

You don't need to do anything now but if you wish to read up on the proposals, the AGM Minutes are available at http://tinyurl.com/GoToBCAagm

You can opt-out of receiving administrative emails, such as this, or opt-in to receiving the BCA Newsletter by altering your email preferences via the members' section of the website at BCA-Online at http://tinyurl.com/GoToBCAonline

If you have any questions please don't reply to this email but contact the Secretary at secretary at british-caving.org.uk instead.


The sender is a new domain especially created for this role.

I received this email. But not a ballot one. It's not clear on this thread whether or not the ballot email has been sent yet??
 

ChrisB

Active member
What a mine field!  Using a new domain seems to me exactly the wrong thing to do; it would practically guarantee going into spam on my system. Similarly with using a commercial mail distributor; given the problems of phishing, and the ease with which a 'from' address can be forged, I check the headers of unexpected mail and treat anything that isn't from a domain controlled by the organisation that claims to have sent it as phish.
 

glyders

Member
I use Mailerlite for my bulk emailing (to my fanclub). It allowed me to authenticate it to my domain so it was signed as authorised by me even though they were dealing with delivery. It also allows me to automatically trigger things based on readers clicking particular links in the email.
 

Alkapton

Member
My 'simple' php scrit solution woks like this:

Create two new tables The first will have bca_memer_number and a boolian Postal.  Populate it with all the BCA Member numbers and set Postal for each to true.

The second is BCA_Member_Number, Validation_string.    Validation_String is a unique random string for each member.

Now you need three php scripts.  The first is request_validation.php.  Its job is to email each member explaining the ballot and that email ballott is prefered, it asks the member to click a link to confirm they recieve email..  The link points to validate.php and passes the members unique string to that script.

validate.php recieves request from each member and finds the members bca number so it can set Postal to False in the table above.  It also displays page saying that person is not getting postal ballott but only email ballott.

A third script will then one day use the first table to generate postal and email ballotts.


I know I not explain this very tidy but you shuld get the idea and it seems to me a fast efficient solution.
 

Bob Mehew

Well-known member
It appears that the typical percentage of people who open and read an email is just above 50%.  I believe the read rate for our first email was around that mark. 

The ballot forms are due out next week by post or email.  It is now too late to change address details.  Such requests will have to be dealt with by the clean up process, details of which will be announced later.

I have had several enquiries from people saying they have not got the email.  That is not surprising as we never sent them one.  It would appear that clubs have not relayed addresses onwards to BCA in some cases. 
 

kay

Well-known member
Bob Mehew said:
It would appear that clubs have not relayed addresses onwards to BCA in some cases.

My partner receives BCA newsletters by email, but hasn't received the pre-ballot email (nor is it in his spam trap). He changed his email address via the website not through his club.
 

shotlighter

Active member
Cookie said:
shotlighter said:
Thanks for the clarification.
I just hope everyone in similar circumstance are not denied a vote, with the email form going to a discontinued address & no postal form sent.
I'm sure the May EE server closure affected many more cavers than just me!

Hi Shotlighter,
I don't think you are going to be denied a vote. If the EE server is closed then we would have received a bounce email. Anyone with a bounced email will have been swapped to a postal vote.

I don't know who you are. If you PM me I'll check all is OK for you.
Thanks Cookie, PM sent.
 

Pitlamp

Well-known member
Eventually found mine in the spam heap. Have yet to get my head round which of the attachments to send back . . . .  :-\
 

Jenny P

Active member
Got mine today and it didn't go into spam!!! 

I marked the previous email from BCA re. voting (which did go into the spam box), as "not spam" and also put the email address it came from into my address list - cracked it! 

Thanks guys.
 

Cookie

New member
Pitlamp said:
Eventually found mine in the spam heap. Have yet to get my head round which of the attachments to send back . . . .  :-\

Either. Whichever suits you best.

The Word doc is updatable so is the easier if you want to email it back.

The pdf is there for the people who don't buy into the Microsoft hegemony.
 
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