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[JAM]

Totally agree with your sporting sentiments Pipster!!!  We're in it for the discovery, the rope is just something extra. 

Good luck to every digger! 

 

[bograt]

Actually it could be eligible 

:read: http://www.hitchnhike.co.uk/peak_district_cave_exploration_award_rules_2011.html

According to the 2011 rules, mine passage can't be included (Rule 5), cave passage can be included if it is previously undocumented (Rule 2) which is the case (as far as I'm aware). However, cavers must be able freely visit the site without any major access restriction (Rule 17) - which currently isn't the case.

Obviously it'd be great to win the competition (not sure if we're in the lead or not, and there are other teams/sites which could still find some good stuff, or maybe they already have!? heh! Dunno what has been found in Gateham Swallet etc). Having said that, and in good sportsmanship, I really do hope the diggers find another entrance with access for all. 
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Or could it;

"12: What if someone finds some new cave but doesn't want to publicise where it is for some reason?
If the location and details of a new cave are kept secret can't be included. All the details and survey information have to be publicised."  :-\ :-\

 

[biffa]

but it is not the one we were looking for this doesn't appear to be the Eyam Edge swallets water

Bit disappointing then!

Massive congratulations to all involved.

 

[Rob]

Or could it;

"12: What if someone finds some new cave but doesn't want to publicise where it is for some reason?
If the location and details of a new cave are kept secret can't be included. All the details and survey information have to be publicised."  :-\ :-\

Once we have found a suitable entrance all the details will be publicised......Exactly why i said:

...i guess we're winning once we get the access sorted........

 

[Pipster]

Or could it;

"12: What if someone finds some new cave but doesn't want to publicise where it is for some reason?
If the location and details of a new cave are kept secret can't be included. All the details and survey information have to be publicised."  :-\ :-\

Well that one won't count Bograt, as the location isn't secret! I can't imagine any reason why the diggers won't publish more details and a survey even if a new entrance can't be established any time soon.

PS. Last years exploits in the Wet West were publish in Descent 224.

 

[Big Jim]

Well done to everyone involved, first for getting access for the Expedition (no mean feat) and for the inspired bit of pushing that led to this huge breakthrough.

I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.

It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.

Which one is you in the picture John?

 

[Pipster]

A number of mined out shafts can be seen to head up in the roof, one with quite a lot of dips coming down, so hopes are high for a surface connection with that one. Also we haven't even got to the end of the main level yet, let alone most of the side passages, so who knows where it may go!?!

Thanks Rob; sounds pretty hopefull for another surface connection.

 

[Hasbeen caver]

Well done to everyone involved, first for getting access for the Expedition (no mean feat) and for the inspired bit of pushing that led to this huge breakthrough.

I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.

It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.

Which one is you in the picture John?

Also, have you been able to work out where this photo was taken, John?

 

[DAN]

Right lets get something straight last year this place had a different owner, we do not fully know our position with the new owners yet. If we do find another entrance something will have to be done about the existing one. For the time being we have an arrangement which is really delicate and it would be better for everyone involved if it where not discussed here. The name Mystery mine is for a reason Mark C most cavers know exactly where it is !!!!

 

[John B]

The picture was taken from about here, but from the top of the hillock which has now gone.

Sad isn't it?

Jim: it was my day off that day.

 

[Judi Durber]

Very sad, not a tree in sight 

 

[Pitlamp]

Crikey John, that really is a shame. So all that industrial archaeology fell victim to creeping urbanisation.

By the way, well done folks on a very fine discovery.

 

[braveduck]

When the urban residents find out whats underneeth their homes there might a few moving out!
Then they might find the values have fallen or worse still ,nobody will lend money on them.
Could be a case of a little bit to much knowlege being dangerous!

 

[dunc]

Here's a small collection of snaps from the trip yesterday. There would be more, of probably better quality

I like the way he calls them snaps and says could have been probably better quality - I'd be most happy with a decent set of "snaps" like that!

Great short climb/traverse and digging efforts, a fine reward. 

 

[bubba]

Wow! What a discovery; congratulations to all concerned  :bow: 

 

[Speleokitty]

Unfortunately it seems that mystery mine has been named on a mine exploration forum. I'm not a member there but have asked Sougher to try and get the name removed.

If anyone here is a member of that forum (OG?) maybe they can do something.

 

[droid]

There's probably enough info on here for a determined researcher to work out the name.

Maybe if the location was supposed to be 'secret' being a bit more careful with the info might have been useful?

 

[NigR]

Sounds like an exciting discovery. Well done to all concerned.

However, if you wanted to keep it even just a little teensy-weensy bit secret then perhaps it might have been better not to post it all over a national caving forum the day after you've found it?

Reminds me a bit of when Draenen went in '94 and word got out so fast due to the lack of restraint shown by some of those involved. No internet forums back then but going straight down to Cardiff's main caving shop the following day and telling anyone who would listen exactly what they'd found was certainly the next best thing!

 

[Blakethwaite]

I've hidden it from general view on AN.

Droid has however hit the nail firmly on the head.

 

[martinm]

PS. Last years exploits in the Wet West were publish in Descent 224.

Ahah, having reread that article, I now know roughly where it is. Pity a housing estate seems to have been built  over some of it... Such is 'progress'.  Great pic from John B, btw. Here's hoping for another entrance somewhere...

Wish I could have got up for the expo, but no transport atm...