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Rob
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A number of mined out shafts can be seen to head up in the roof, one with quite a lot of dips coming down, so hopes are high for a surface connection with that one. Also we haven't even got to the end of the main level yet, let alone most of the side passages, so who knows where it may go!?!Pipster said:
John B
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Well done to everyone involved, first for getting access for the Expedition (no mean feat) and for the inspired bit of pushing that led to this huge breakthrough.
I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.
It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.
I can't help wishing we'd found it when we found the first pipe caverns in the 1980s. We had a reasonable access, and at least there was a shaft, alas now covered with a concrete raft and probably knackered.
It does help to explain where all the huge heaps of spar that were being worked in the 1920s came from! I never felt that there was enough space underground to have provided it all.
AR
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Well done everyone, looks pretty good down there and it's just a shame that there isn't another viable point of access at the moment, but if there are other shafts and ore chutes, there must be another point of access somewhere!
What sort of date do you reckon for the workings John, just going by the photos I'd guess the wagon and barrow date to the 19th century workings at Glebe, but are there any other clues to date? Is the cap over the Glebe shaft under someone's house or in a garden, and if it's the latter would they object to some excavation?
Oh, and just to reassure the OCC guys, I thought the H&H rules were that to be eligible, a discovery had to be completely untouched so anything t'owd man had got into couldn't be entered for the prize?
John B said:
What sort of date do you reckon for the workings John, just going by the photos I'd guess the wagon and barrow date to the 19th century workings at Glebe, but are there any other clues to date? Is the cap over the Glebe shaft under someone's house or in a garden, and if it's the latter would they object to some excavation?
Oh, and just to reassure the OCC guys, I thought the H&H rules were that to be eligible, a discovery had to be completely untouched so anything t'owd man had got into couldn't be entered for the prize?
John B
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The shaft is under a driveway, and takes the surface runoff from the new estate. There is a manhole (Doug is standing on it in the pic) into a small chamber into which the drains discharge, with two four inch pipes in the floor. The contractors, for some reason known only to themselves, drilled diagonally into the shaft from about 10 metres away after all this was complete, so undoubtedly pushed the ginging in. I think once everything settles down there may be some alternative arrangement, but be patient. I might get to see it all before I'm too old!
John B
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Re. dates for the workings. The Pippin Swallow, which was rediscovered during the site development, was buried in the mid 1800s so there may not have been much large scale work before then. By the 1880s there was a thriving industry there, with a headstocks and a big area of washing floors, crushers etc. It probably does date from the late 1800s in that case.
Mrs Trellis
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Echo all the well-deserved congratulations in ..er.. spades. 
How much natural is buried under t'owd man's waste in Derbyshire!
How much natural is buried under t'owd man's waste in Derbyshire!
AR said:
Actually it could be eligible
:read: http://www.hitchnhike.co.uk/peak_district_cave_exploration_award_rules_2011.html
According to the 2011 rules, mine passage can't be included (Rule 5), cave passage can be included if it is previously undocumented (Rule 2) which is the case (as far as I'm aware). However, cavers must be able freely visit the site without any major access restriction (Rule 17) - which currently isn't the case.
Obviously it'd be great to win the competition (not sure if we're in the lead or not, and there are other teams/sites which could still find some good stuff, or maybe they already have!? heh! Dunno what has been found in Gateham Swallet etc). Having said that, and in good sportsmanship, I really do hope the diggers find another entrance with access for all.
Rob
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By my rough calculations there is already over 250m of unalterated natural in the new stuff, so i guess we're winning once we get the access sorted........
As for age, i'm no pro at all, but there are candles and wooden wheelbarrows around which suggests to me it's pretty old.
One thing i would say is it is all very tidy, no rubbish laying around anywhere. It's especially tidy when compared with more modern mines which are now abandoned, and I'm sure there's people who who'll rant on about the reasons behind this......
As for age, i'm no pro at all, but there are candles and wooden wheelbarrows around which suggests to me it's pretty old.
One thing i would say is it is all very tidy, no rubbish laying around anywhere. It's especially tidy when compared with more modern mines which are now abandoned, and I'm sure there's people who who'll rant on about the reasons behind this......
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