Eldon Hole Thoughts

[DAN]

Well if we were able to get enough people interested i will provide a Crane, i think i can sort a dumper to. The key to it all would be permision, not just from the land owner as i think Eldon is on an SSSI it would most likely have to go through the DCA.

 

[Mrs Trellis]

Windy Knoll's bones were thought to have been washed in. Of course the wall round Eldon would stop that sort of thing. 

However it would be very good if the thing were done.

 

[Brains]

Windy Knoll's bones were thought to have been washed in. Of course the wall round Eldon would stop that sort of thing. 

However it would be very good if the thing were done.

Thanks for that, I had the impression they were in a vertical fissure that cant now be seen... Perhaps they wont have friends in Eldon after all.

So, we have access to a crane and dumper. Whats next - permissions or a straw poll of interest?
Guess peak park, landowner, tennant if different, English nature / heritage (insert this weeks title here)... anyone else? Could DCA organise/ help with this bit?

 

[JAM]

Better mae it a straw poll, no point doing the other bit if you ain't got enough bods to do the business at the other end. 

Rich

 

[DAN]

It could take years! We would need all Derbyshire based clubs involved. If enough cavers/helpers wanted to get involved it could work we could ask time team to help the television loves that sort of thing, there will loads of interesting stuff. Not to mention some Human Bones. The farmer could sell the stone there could be 40 pound a ton in it and around 1000 tones maybe a lot more. But permision would be hard earned, a good project manager would be needed there would be a lot to sort out.

 

[DAN]

Allso I have always thought that the big Bomb hole in the middle of the old motorbike track the other side of the hill, would be the most likey place you would intersect the cave at the back of Eldon hole. I have thought about getting permission for that as it needs digging, it would be easy compared with Eldon and you never know what you might find?

 

[Brains]

Straw poll to gauge interest of those on interweb that read this and can be bothered...
Perhaps a mod could merge the two threads?

 

[Brains]

Better mae it a straw poll, no point doing the other bit if you ain't got enough bods to do the business at the other end. 

Rich

Poll generated...

 

[AndyF]

In coal mining, one of the most highly paid job was a shaft-sinker. The reason was that it is collosally dangerous because the stuff being hauled up had a habit of occaisionally coming back down at high speed. A half pound rock falling from near the surface would easily kill.. This can be guarded against a bit by having a shelter, but it's difficult to do and everyone needs to be in it during each raising. In practice, people would not do that.

 

[Rob]

I think my answer would not fit any of those, more likely be "1-2 times a month, only at weekends"

 

[DAN]

That is where the person who is incharge comes in, everyone would proberbly end up winched to surface or in the chamber out of the way. But if i had organised a crane then i would want no one under it while it was hauling.

 

[Charlie]

Similar sentiment to Rob. "occasionally"

 

[Mrs Trellis]

Brains, my reply was specious for which I apologise. I guess most look to excavate the shaft to find the reported stream cave (and therefore the way into the Speedwell West Master cave wink wink )  rather than for archaeological/palaeological reasons.

As to whether there are any remains:-

No doubt the hole was open from say the Bronze Age onwards and there is a Bronze age tumulus near the summit of Eldon Hill.

There is evidence that the climate was warm in the two millenia up to the Roman invasion and the local Bronze and then Iron age people lived in the open and used caves for ritual burial purpose as at Dowel cave and Treak Cliff Sepulchral Cave . If you chuck your ancestor down Eldon Hole you can't fetch them out for veneration can you?


As for animal bones I guess there'll be lots , mostly domestic animals dating from the first farming times

 

[Goydenman]

In coal mining, one of the most highly paid job was a shaft-sinker. The reason was that it is collosally dangerous because the stuff being hauled up had a habit of occaisionally coming back down at high speed. A half pound rock falling from near the surface would easily kill.. This can be guarded against a bit by having a shelter, but it's difficult to do and everyone needs to be in it during each raising. In practice, people would not do that.

No they dont but if you can go back under the arch without crawling into the main chamber grab a drink etc I think you find peope will

 

[bat]

With all this possible archaeological stuff in there, why not sell it to time teem, they'd have it all out in three days.

 

[Roger W]

Yeah - but then they'd get the credit for finding the Master Cave...

 

[DAN]

It could actually get done though?

 

[Cave_Troll]

if you haul buckets up a rubble chute then any fallout would fall down that and not onto the person standing next to it.

 

[Goydenman]

if you haul buckets up a rubble chute then any fallout would fall down that and not onto the person standing next to it.

Great idea - would need wide rubble shute though assuming big buckets for quick extraction. I know where there are about 8 free metal dustbins the sort you get round back of hotels we take bottom out for shoring/capping pots. Also know where you can more at ?5/bin - maybe they cold be fixed together to form shute - but are they even they wide enough?

 

[owd git]

Bloody good idea cave troll, I'll see if a good friend (scaffolding Co. owner ) would hire on a day / week basis.Owd Git.