EPC - Discovery of the Decade

paul

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jasonbirder said:
Though I do wonder why in the 21st Century a PAPER magazine (didn't even know they still existed tbh) gets to embargo what is essentially news and should be freely shared?

Of course paper magazines still exist even if you can often also get digital versions. Obviously you've not been in a newsagents recently. :)  And long may paper editions continue for those who want them.

The news appeared in Descent presumably because that's where the informant sent the article initially. The news is now being shared here freely and can also be shared anywhere else.
 

AR

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jasonbirder said:
Though I do wonder why in the 21st Century a PAPER magazine (didn't even know they still existed tbh) gets to embargo what is essentially news and should be freely shared?

Have you considered that maybe the discoverers wanted the release of the news to come out in Descent first? As for the reason why paper publications still exist, it's because digital data is a lot less durable than most people realise...
 

JonP

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It all depends on how people feel on releasing information I guess. As mentioned some people like the news to be released via Descent which was the only source of news a little while ago other than word of mouth and people still appreciate holding information back for the latest issue of descent. As you can tell from how this post started EPC are very open with all our explorations and release a trip report every week. Anyone?s welcome to see what we do as long as they look in the right place. If anything this shows that people do actually read our endeavors hence the slip up of ?Discovery of the Decade? it wasn?t my news to share so I kept it at that to hopefully excite and draw in some readers.

As for the paper/electronic debate? we have released updates on here if we?ve felt they were significant. Most of the stuff we find is scraps here and there and more mine than cave so doesn?t feel like it warrants it somewhat as we?d be posting every week but where?s the line between significant and insignificant?
 

Mark

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danthecavingman said:
As for naming the new streamway, surely "The Middleton Master Cave" or "Middleton's Master Cave" as an ambiguous reference to both the discoverer and the catchment?

Technically it should be the "Hucklow Edge Master Cave", as the main conduit down Middleton Dale is the Lay-by, Streaks, Merlin, Carlswark route
 

JonP

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Found a big chamber last night in Cussey! Just sayin...
 

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RM

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Hi All

Apologies for not responding sooner, however for my sins I am not a regular UKC poster/ viewer, and as I knew there were some pictures going in descent I thought I might as well keep it quiet till then.

The Boil Up was originally explored back in the late 80s by Jim Davenport, Simon Brooks and friends who did a sterling job digging out the original rift and exploring over 200m of sporting flooded passage to a silt filled tube and a too tight continuation.

However it had not been looked at for a long time since, and it was the silt filled tube which in the yielded its secrets.

This attempt has been going since the summer, and has received a massive amount of carrying support from a variety of SUSS, EPC, CDG members, as well as a couple of persuadable work colleagues. So I would like to say a massive thanks to all of them. It would not have happened without you  ;)

Since the original newsflash that appeared in Descent, Mike Butcher and myself have returned a second time and surveyed the bit between the end of the boil up and the second sump. This includes a couple of side passages (one pointing towards the Wet West and only 40m away  ;) ), and turned out to be about 360m in total to that point. I'd guess the bit the other side of the 2nd sump may be about double that...We were hoping to return this weekend, but sadly water levels were too high.

It's an awesome place, I hope we (not me, mostly diggers from the EPC) can get a dry (ish) route in soon.

Any questions (or offers of assistance) please drop me a line

Cheers

Rob M
 

Goydenman

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Incredible achievement well done to those players in the past and now you Rob. The photos of the master cave are bigger than I expected. Cant wait to hear more and hoping the EPC guys get a dry way in
 
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