cap n chris
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Rhys said:
Easy enough for them to deny it, though, surely. A sign at the fenced-off entrance stating "Danger: keep out" should be sufficient for indemnity purposes.
First, and ONLY, underground zipline!!!
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Easy enough for them to deny it, though, surely. A sign at the fenced-off entrance stating "Danger: keep out" should be sufficient for indemnity purposes.
There have been one or two cases recently when people have tried suing for stuff that is basically their own fault, but the case has been thrown out of court (as you'd hope).
Unfortunately, is someone does try to sue a landowner ? however absurd the case may be ? he/she could be caught up in expensive, time-consuming legal wrangling, whatever the outcome may be, so it's not perhaps surprising that they want to cover their butt.
Unfortunately, is someone does try to sue a landowner ? however absurd the case may be ? he/she could be caught up in expensive, time-consuming legal wrangling, whatever the outcome may be, so it's not perhaps surprising that they want to cover their butt.
Peter Burgess
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Isn't that what cave rescue teams are supposed to do?cap 'n chris said:
cap n chris
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Fulk said:
Indeed - and removing all the fixed aids from Croesor won't stop such a situation from arising.
Rhys
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Maybe, maybe not, depends. The court might not believe that he didn't know, given that perhaps there were groups of cavers trudging past his house and over his land every weekend, posting videos on youtube etc. Also, would sticking up a sign really be viewed as trying very hard to stop people? Filling in the entrance would be more reliable...cap 'n chris said:
RobinGriffiths
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Given the profile and notoriety that the place has amongst disparate groups, it will remain a mecca for one way, dare I say - Casual, explorers.
G and B are easily confused. I think you must be confusing it with the one planned for GG, the one planned for GB was going to be too short to make it a worthwhile venture..Roger W said:I heard that they were going to install one of those zip wire things in GB main chamber the other year, but they couldn't find a piece of wire long enough.
Well, nobody had said it before me so someone had to say it.....
Les W
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Roger W said:I heard that they were going to install one of those zip wire things in GB main chamber the other year, but they couldn't find a piece of wire long enough.
The problem with a zip wire in GB is that it would become an obstacle for the Pterodactyls that reside in the far reaches. As the site is scheduled as an SSSI anything that threatened the fauna of the cave would be a bad thing.
(any way the tensile strength of the wire would prohibit a zip wire of that length) 8)
dunc said:
I thought there was always two at GG each year although you northerners still haven't grasped the basics of a zip wire, they are meant to be horizontal(ish) not vertical. :tease:
carabeener
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mikem said:
So does that mean removing fixed aids out of caves too, like the ladder in Giants etc?
Cookie
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See the beginning of this vid. for Les on the first and only underground zipline* that is in Croesor-Rhosydd.
* this might be hyperbole
Wessex Cave Club North Wales 2007
* this might be hyperbole
Wessex Cave Club North Wales 2007
pete_the_caver
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My dad constructed a zip line or flyingfox as they are called in New Zealand in the 1970s. It crossed the 'Interconnecting Tomo' between St Benedict's Caverns and Blindman's Bluff Cave and ran about 30m above the floor. It was constructed using a single 5/8th steel cable which was looped around natural belays at one end and two 5/8" spits at the other. Cavers crossed the wire sitting on a piece of plywood stapled to webbing straps below a large pulley.
Following the trip for which it was constructed it was removed and the spits filled with grease and then covered with mud. the bits were then stored so that the could be reused when required. This did not occur until 1990 when a group of us linked Blindman's to Ringlefall and it was reinstalled to allow an easy crossing of the shaft on a New Zealand Speleological Society trip to the caves.
The setup is still in storage in my father's garage but is unlikely ever to be used again due to the fact that access to the farm where the caves lie has been lost and because most cavers these days would prefer to pendulum across (it is possible to free climb the top 10m of the St Ben's side.
I only wish i could find my father's slides.
Following the trip for which it was constructed it was removed and the spits filled with grease and then covered with mud. the bits were then stored so that the could be reused when required. This did not occur until 1990 when a group of us linked Blindman's to Ringlefall and it was reinstalled to allow an easy crossing of the shaft on a New Zealand Speleological Society trip to the caves.
The setup is still in storage in my father's garage but is unlikely ever to be used again due to the fact that access to the farm where the caves lie has been lost and because most cavers these days would prefer to pendulum across (it is possible to free climb the top 10m of the St Ben's side.
I only wish i could find my father's slides.
Pretty sure the landowner at Croesor also owns the mine, its my understanding he was given it, as well as several other mines previously owned by the McAlpine crooks (I mean group!) as a sweetener given McAlpines wants to extend work on the other side of the hill. This before their accountants where locked up for fiddling the books!
that is sweeeeeet. Sorry I was gone at cave capers and forgot about this thread! It must just be the first commercial one or such then, lol would make sense why no one knew about these others being more "caver-only"...and you'd be surprised at how much I hear at least in KY about commercial caves being owned/run by non-cavers (which, I find weird, but whatever).So uh...next time I'm over there, I can get on that zipline...right??
