Gaping Gill - Dihedral deviation is deceased

[rog saxton]

Hi guys,
Just to let you all know that I broke the big deviation on dihedral whilst de-rigging it on Saturday 31st May.  The spit ripped from the wall as I approached from below.
There was always controvesy concerning whether a rope protector was needed or not - well I've ended the argument.  It rubs for at least 5m now.
I would recommend against an upwards journey until the bolt is replaced.
Cheers
Rog

 

[topcat]

I believe some folk from Grampian are heading that way on Saturday?  I'm at work right now and don't have the contacts to hand.....

Is it just a case of banging in a new bolt or does it need a re-drill?

 

[Alex]

That should have been a re-belay anyway, a great opportunity to replace it I say.

 

[SamT]

With proper resin stainless p bolts !

 

[Skyrmy]

That should have been a re-belay anyway, a great opportunity to replace it I say.

From my recollection when rigging (once), you would either need pretty long arms and legs, or a bold upward/outward jump/swing to clip in if the deviation was removed and a replacement anchor treated as a rebelay - it was bad enough passing the deviation as you well know Alex!!! LOL

 

[Alex]

And so do you Mike, hehe.

 

[Skyrmy]

And so do you Mike, hehe.

Yes - as I rigged it LOL.

It was a sod clipping the rope into the deviation - never mid trying to reach the bolt as a rebelay LOL

 

[topcat]

Yes - as I rigged it LOL.

It was a sod clipping the rope into the deviation - never mid trying to reach the bolt as a rebelay LOL
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?But don't you need to reach the bolt to set up the deviation?  Even if a tape is in place, it presumably hangs down just below the bolt; it's not going to stick out into space ...?

[I've never been there so......]

 

[Skyrmy]

Yes - as I rigged it LOL.

It was a sod clipping the rope into the deviation - never mid trying to reach the bolt as a rebelay LOL

?But don't you need to reach the bolt to set up the deviation?  Even if a tape is in place, it presumably hangs down just below the bolt; it's not going to stick out into space ...?

[I've never been there so......]
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From memory it was a fairly long tape (24" or so ???).  It was fairly easy to grab the tape but a devil to clip the rope into it due to the angle of the rope coming off the ledge.

If it's re-rigged as a deviation - go try it yourself one day - Dihedral is an awesome route.

 

[Maj]

Dihedral is an awesome route.

Tis indeed.
I'm only a short arse, but managed the deviation with a little effort.
Worth the effort for the descent into the main chamber.

Is there a plan to replace the deviation before or during the CPC winch meet in August?

Maj

 

[Alex]

Yes passing it was the easy part it was de-rigging it which was fun, but hey I would probably find it relatively easier now, more experienced and all that.

 

[Skyrmy]

I'm only a short arse, but managed the deviation with a little effort.

Rigging or passing?

. . . but hey I would probably find it relatively easier now, more experienced and all that.

I would agree with you there Alex!  Cold, wet and rigging on my 1st time down - know what to expect next time LOL

 

[mr goose]

Old thread but just wondering if anyone knows whether the ripped deviation bolt on Dihedral route has been replaced?

Having not done this route yet (been wanting to for ages), I don't know if it's an essential deviation or not but sounds like it probably is if you need rope protectors now?

 

[skippy]

Yes..The deviation was replaced last year.

 

[mr goose]

Great - thanks for that.

 

[Simon Wilson]

Yes..The deviation was replaced last year.

What with? The last time I asked a similar question the person I asked groundlessly got very upset. Please don't make any assumptions. I wasn't making any judgments then and I'm not now.

 

[skippy]

I dropped Dihedral this August during the Winch meet. I hasten to add it was already rigged but the deviation was in place therefore if its not been left insitu there must be a means of attaching your own.
What I should have replied with is there is something to attached your own sling/bit of tat.

 

[Maj]

If I recall (those that know me won't rely heavily on my memory)........... Now where was I? 
Ah yes I remember - Yes the deviation has been re-bolted, yes there is a piece of tat, rope, sling left in situ.

During the CPC winch meet this year, I rigged Dihedral.
The deviation had a length of rope to attach your deviation krab to. In addition to the deviation rope length, it had a long (2ft-3ft) tail of rope that had been chained. This makes it easier to reach the deviation when rigging since you can afford to be a little lower. I guess the tail may also help when passing the deviation.

I'm only about 5' 7" and when I first descended Dihedral a couple of years ago I found the deviation a bit awkward to pass due to the angle of deviation and that I was too short to push off the wall.
Whether it is the position or length of the deviation I couldn't say, prob a bit of both, but in my view the deviation is now easier to pass.

Maj.

 

[Simon Wilson]

- Yes the deviation has been re-bolted, yes there is a piece of tat, rope, sling left in situ.

I'm not interested in what bits of tat there are. It's what the tat is attached to that I would like to find out about. So there is a new 'bolt'. Is it a Spit, a drop-in or a through bolt? If it is a through-bolt, is it stainless and is it all stainless including the hanger, washer and nut?

I don't want the job and wish other people would take the initiative but by making a new resin anchor I have unintentionally been forced to take responsibility for the whole anchor scheme in the Dales. I don't have time to inspect every cave in the Dales. Most cavers probably think that the cave fairies install resin anchors when all sensible cavers are in the pub. The cave fairies are a small number of hard pressed installers. In order for things to happen we need accurate information.