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Long Churn Photo Trip

Duncan S

New member
This was a trip organised through a photography forum, so it classes as photographers heading underground rather than cavers waving cameras around.
Hence a cave as easy as Upper Long Churn made an ideal destination for the group, and it certainly shows you don't need to go on long caving trips to get decent images!

The group consisted of Duncan from Somerset, Chris from the Lakes and Frank from the Lancashire coast.
We were doing a lot of camera sharing as it was often easier to leave the flash setup alone and pass the camera around. We all took turns modelling as that required at least as much creativity as composing the image and looking after the technical stuff!
Some of these shots I can definitely say who took them, but most of them would need a discussion about who pressed the button and we still might not be certain. So we've taken a group decision and we aren't really caring too much about ownership. The images are a team effort and the button pusher was just one part of the teamwork needed in each shot.

We started by using continuous lighting in Dr Bannister's Handbasin.
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Before moving on we decided to kill the main floodlight and put all the waterproof lights we had into the pool. The other lighting is a couple of small LED video lights out of shot on the right hand side, plus a small floodlight in the passage at the top of the waterfall.
It's a dramatically different image!
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We spend quite a while shooting from the top of the waterfall, and it wasn't easy!
We'd ended up using Franks camera, Duncan's flash with Franks radio trigger in Chris' barrel strapped to the models back and a head torch lighting the foreground. We got a lot of cracking shots, way better than these, but hand holding 1/4s proved too challenging and most of them aren't acceptably sharp.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing; we should have either got a tripod or used Duncan's flash kit with multiple flashes or got one of the big floodlights. Hey Ho... It was a lot of fun and we all learned valuable lessons!
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Back in the main passageway we set up a simple two flash arrangement which proved very effective.
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We decided to try spicing up the image by splashing the water.
Once again, this was huge fun and we were pleased with the results!
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While in the passage, we decided to have a go at some shots bridging the streamway.
These proved more difficult to set up than the water splashing shots as lighting is far more critical.
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We concluded the day with another continuous lighting set-up in a different part of the streamway.
By this point we were all cold and had lost most of our enthusiasm - it shows.....
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In summary...
A cracking day out, and well worth the drive up from Somerset!
I just wish we'd been more careful about noting who drove the camera as I like some of these images :)
 

Duncan S

New member
A 20W and 10W builders floodlight, plus two small LED video lights, plus an underwater torch with the reflector removed.
Camera was on a tripod and set to aperture priority with manual ISO.
These lights can be used in surprisingly large chambers, but the exposure gets longer :)
 

Duncan S

New member
Madness said:
Is this a new Peak Cave then? ;)

Whoops - it's only my second time caving Up North and I thought the Dales were somewhere else and Peaks implied the Yorkshire 3 Peaks.
I'll ask a mod to move the thread.  :-[
 

Duncan S

New member
Duncan S said:
Madness said:
Is this a new Peak Cave then? ;)

Whoops - it's only my second time caving Up North and I thought the Dales were somewhere else and Peaks implied the Yorkshire 3 Peaks.
I'll ask a mod to move the thread.  :-[

Cheers mods  :beer:
 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
Super photos and they make the cave look great - which it is.

Who would think from looking at these photographs that this cave sees upward of 10,000 visitors each year.  On some days 15 mini buses are recorded at the parking area with around 200 individuals heading underground.  A great introduction to caving for them when it looks like this.
 

grahams

Well-known member
An excellent set of photos.

We've been a couple of times recently but have been thwarted by the number of people - I counted 80 people a couple of Wednesday's ago - several minbusses and a couple of vans. As far as I know we were the only ones to pay the trivial goodwill fee to the farmer, although maybe the outdoor organisations have a prior arrangement.

Saturday seems the quietest day for photography in ULC. We used a Sony A6000 in a cheap dive case with a couple of Magicshine LEDs and a 20 watt floodlight.
 

Duncan S

New member
grahams said:
An excellent set of photos.

We've been a couple of times recently but have been thwarted by the number of people - I counted 80 people a couple of Wednesday's ago - several minbusses and a couple of vans. As far as I know we were the only ones to pay the trivial goodwill fee to the farmer, although maybe the outdoor organisations have a prior arrangement.

Saturday seems the quietest day for photography in ULC. We used a Sony A6000 in a cheap dive case with a couple of Magicshine LEDs and a 20 watt floodlight.
Strewth! Sounds like we were lucky!

Are your pics viewable online?
I'd love to have a look.
 

chunky

Well-known member
Great set of images. Interesting to see the different light sources used in combination 
 

Duncan S

New member
Cheers Chunky!
One of these days I hope we'll get on a trip together.
No doubt I'll see you EuroSpelio :)
 

Ian P

Administrator
Staff member
Nice photos  (y) As a fairly regular user of the cave it is really nice to see it like that!

If these kind of shots can be achieved in a cave like Long Churn, what could be done with something like Gaping Gill.

As there will no doubt be some very talented photographers at the Eurospeleo meet, what about trying to arrange a "photo shoot" of the main shaft / chamber which is a bit "different". The winch will be set up and I'm sure we could persuade a small winching team to help out "after hours".

I have absolutely no idea about good photography but potentially available would be :

The chair to stop and start as required. (Like the picture on the front of ACT ??)
(We have radios on the fell which work to the main chamber)
Dihedral will be rigged
Jib direct could possibly be rigged
There is mains power down into the main chamber (and lighting)
Hopefully some willing cavers to help.

A photo could then be produced to help raise funds for a worthy cause, and possibly provide some photos for Spanset for their kind donation ?

I am only a foot soldier and any agreement for this would have to go through the relevant GG sub committee at the CPC.

If permission was granted, I guess a slot would need timetabling for the winch and then some body to coordinate a few photographers to come up some "plans" of a shot and what they would need from the club on the fell.

Just a thought and as I said I have absolutely no idea about photography, but what I have seen on UK caving there is some excellent talent out there and this would seem like an opportunity ??

Ian
 

grahams

Well-known member
Duncan S said:
Strewth! Sounds like we were lucky!

Are your pics viewable online?
I'd love to have a look.

My site is in a dilapidated state at the moment. I'll get round to an update eventually. Meanwhile here's a few Upper Long Churn shots though your's are better -

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Duncan S

New member
Hi Ian  :beer:

Blimey!
This is interesting!!!!!
I love a challenge!
Yes - I'd be up for this :)

It would need a fair bit of planning.
The photographers would need to come up with an idea for the shot, which would then need fleshing out into a plan for all the people and kit involved.

Much as I would love to go for this shot, given the calibre of photographers that will be present at EuroSpelio, I'm More than happy to do whatever is needed. It will be great to simply be involved!

Do you know which club is operating the winch at EuroSpelio - Bradford or Craven?
And Ian - which club are you a member of?
 

Duncan S

New member
grahams said:
My site is in a dilapidated state at the moment. I'll get round to an update eventually. Meanwhile here's a few Upper Long Churn shots though your's are better
You are being unfair on yourself.
We had a lot more lighting with us and we spent 5 hours down there!
Under normal circumstances I'd be very happy to have captured images like yours ;)
 

Duncan S

New member
Ian,
I don't know if you saw it, but I was down Gaping Gill recently and grabbed this shot on my compact camera plus two tiny LED video lights.
That chamber has a LOT of potential!
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