Missing sub
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andrewmcleod
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cap n chris
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It's not really a comedy subject, suspect it's a body recovery operation, assuming there are any to find.
ChrisJC
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Brains
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I agree, having seen the effort put into the Kursk submarine loss and recovery.
cap n chris
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No survivors anticipated now, according to news update.
The Old Ruminator
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The simplest answer is nearly always what happened. It imploded.
RobinGriffiths
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The Daily Mail will have to go back to baiting Meghan Marckle now. If they had stopped during the sub crisis.
Chocolate fireguard
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Earlier this evening the BBC were talking about a "catastrophic loss of pressure".
I wonder if they have a bunch of stock phrases ready for things like this and employ them automatically?
It's difficult to imagine anything more wrong.
I wonder if they have a bunch of stock phrases ready for things like this and employ them automatically?
It's difficult to imagine anything more wrong.
ZombieCake
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Maybe best to park this thread for a while.
I spent many years constructing and operating large kit in 1000m+ of water designed to last for decades. This isn’t what stuff like that looks like. And we didn’t ever put people in the water. I have no problem with people turning their bath tub into a sub and going for it themselves, but it is not acceptable to take other people for money who just are not going to fully grasp what they are getting into. It’s immoral. Taking your teenage son means you can’t possibly have understood the risk.
I have it in the same box as being blasted into space on low cost rockets that regularly blow up. The most impressive thing about the film First Man was that it was about people who absolutely knew what they were getting into and were suitably shit scared. I don’t think that made it popular in some quarters.
I have it in the same box as being blasted into space on low cost rockets that regularly blow up. The most impressive thing about the film First Man was that it was about people who absolutely knew what they were getting into and were suitably shit scared. I don’t think that made it popular in some quarters.
royfellows
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I have a lot of mixed emotions about this. On one hand I see incredibly wealthy people who instead of swanning about in private jets and Lanbos seek real life adventure at personal risk, they would all have probably been interested in going undergound. On a different hand I wonder if the thing was being offered as an expensive 'package tour', while the reality was quite different. Speculation about the cause of the accident is unwise, but it will be happening, maily on good old social media. I counsel respect for the dead and their families.
They seem to have known it was a serious risk, but probably assuaged by knowledge that Stockton Rush was going himself:
Wayland Smith
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It's sad for the families,
but with so many rich people involved can you imagine the queue of lawyers looking to get their fingers into the money pit?
but with so many rich people involved can you imagine the queue of lawyers looking to get their fingers into the money pit?
There's probably very little money to be had from the company. Would the Directors be liable? The signing of waivers by the passengers wouldn't protect the company or Directors from a possible negligence claim, but is there provable negligence?
pwhole
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I was talking with my now-elderly parents about this yesterday, and my mum (quite rightly) pointed out that the boulder-choke we're currently digging through is probably no safer, in the grand scheme of things, than dropping to the bottom of the sea in a home-made submarine. Both involve an 'acceptable' amount of risk, based on our calculations of what may or may not occur after we make a choice to modify something. But whether we made it onto the telly would depend on what happened.
If we got squashed, we might just make Look North as a sad item on the late-night slot. If we got trapped, but were clearly still alive, we might make it onto the national news, and possibly even international news if the rescue took a long time. If we subsequently died because the rescue took too long, then a lecture on the foolishness of caving might ensue. If we don't have any accidents at all, but never get out of the boulder choke we'll be called obsessives or eccentrics by the caving community. If we discover a new cave, we might make Descent. It's all to play for.
But I couldn't really explain to my parents why I was willing to do this (at least from their perspective), and so I also couldn't really criticise the submariners for doing what they do. I've mentioned it before, but Ace In The Hole is a really good study of the media, ambition, danger and caves:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_in_the_Hole_(1951_film)
If we got squashed, we might just make Look North as a sad item on the late-night slot. If we got trapped, but were clearly still alive, we might make it onto the national news, and possibly even international news if the rescue took a long time. If we subsequently died because the rescue took too long, then a lecture on the foolishness of caving might ensue. If we don't have any accidents at all, but never get out of the boulder choke we'll be called obsessives or eccentrics by the caving community. If we discover a new cave, we might make Descent. It's all to play for.
But I couldn't really explain to my parents why I was willing to do this (at least from their perspective), and so I also couldn't really criticise the submariners for doing what they do. I've mentioned it before, but Ace In The Hole is a really good study of the media, ambition, danger and caves:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_in_the_Hole_(1951_film)
