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Turner

Turner

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oh it gets better :D like i said...... wouldnt let him babysit the kids lol :p

from his website

"The next 2 pictures our of the daughters of 2 of the people I climb with. They are both slightly mad and terrorist ANYONE who should cross their paths. So beware if you see them then you best go another way. But if you should go to near them offer chocolate(as I do) as this seems to quell the beast inside them :) Holly is the one to the right and Sarah to the Left..."
 
bubba

bubba

Administrator
JB said:
However the people who are going out with him have to take some responsibility for the situation that they're finding themselves in. I wouldn't go paragliding <or other potentially dangerous activity> with a bloke who I 'met' on the internet without doing a bit of my own research/questioning/thinking first.
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It's very easy for a friendly, convincing bullshitter to pull the wool over the eyes of a total novice, which is why he continues to prey on such people. I suspect that he talks a good enough line that people feel they don't need to do any further research. You can't blame people for being trusting, it's not really their fault they are being lied to. I'm sure many of us will have been caving/climbing/etc with people who we've just met and accepted on face value rather than doing internet research on!

I think that any adverse publicity that this guy gets is a good thing as it will hopefully be seen and acted on. He needs to keep getting shut down before there is the potential for an accident.

I've actually been contacted by his (now ex, after she found out the truth) fiancee who only suspected quite late on that he wasn't what he seemed.

From reading the description of the last Giants incident it almost seems to me he wants there to be an accident so that he can then step in using his "elite rescuer" persona.

This sort of Delusion of Grandeur can be a symptom of Schizophrenia so perhaps the guy does need some sort of prefossional help?

 
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Peter Burgess

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OMG, you have just reminded me of an incident at a place I used to work many years back. I came in nice and early as normal to find two floors of the office completely gutted by fire. Eventually it transpired that the security officer on duty had started a fire deliberately with the intention of "discovering" it and putting it out and being a hero. His problem was he left it too late, and had to call out the fire brigade instead. This was his second such offence; the first time at another site he had got away with it and been called a hero. I spent a year working in a portakabin as a result.
 
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adrenalin

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Hi Guys

The way I see it so far, he has not broke any laws, which is why on doing a search on him lead us to this forum and events that has happened in the past.

The Sheffield Shamblers Walking group was originally set up a couple of years ago as a social walking group, mainly for people who like to walk as a group at a Leisurely Place, we do have a couple of members who seem pretty experienced and done some challenging walks in the past other than with the group, however what we have here is someone with a big personality (likeable guy) who joined about 10 weeks ago.

Im sure you can picture the scene, all having a conversation welcoming him to the group etc, over the few weeks, he say's he is part of Mountain Rescue on a voluntary basis spending nights out in the peak district, claiming that his day job is teaching groups like ourselves in map reading, health & Safety also in teaching in other area's such as Kayacking, Caving, Horse Riding etc, the main banter of the group being the size of his Rucksack which looks the part with walking sticks attached, ropes etc (for some reason small fluffy toys too) far too extreme for what we do where we take a normal day pack containing waterproofs, drink food etc, our walk co-ordinators cary first aid kits.

So with the above he is building trust amongst naive people, so when he then starts a thread regarding Night Walk or as has happened Caving, some I assume will have attended with the false security that they are in the safest possible hands but knowing the facts that his claim to be in Mountain Rescue being false then im sure those people would not attend.

If he just had the sense to say "hello my name is Andrew I'm a experienced Walker also in Caving does anyone want to join me, then fine, at least you know where you are, then make your own decission whether to participate.

The more I have thought about what ive read in the other threads on here, I do feel and I hope I'm wrong, that he would love to create a situation where he comes out the hero.

I have no experience in Caving at all, and only little walking experience with the group I walk with, I do feel he does have plenty of experience but he needs to be stopped in giving the false pretence which potencially could lead to a dissaster.
 
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george

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I read on his website about his rucksac - 8 stone! He seems quite proud of the fact. If I went out with an 8 stone rucksac I would never live it down. He must be all man!
 
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george

Guest
That rucksac is f*****g brilliant! 2 ropes (on the outside?!), 2 lamps on his helmet. Has he got 2 first aid kits? He's going to bloody well need them with a pack that size slowing him down!
 
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Amos666

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george said:
That rucksac is f*****g brilliant! 2 ropes (on the outside?!), 2 lamps on his helmet. Has he got 2 first aid kits? He's going to bloody well need them with a pack that size slowing him down!
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Nope, he doesn't have 2 first aid kits, he has 4!! (One SUPPOSEDLY a full paramaedic first aid kit - for when he is called out on one of his "rescue missions" ;))
 
ttxela

ttxela

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Worrying stuff indeed, it shouldn't put anyone off though, not much more than a novice myself I've been on trips with quite a few people I've been in contact with only through the internet prior to the trip and fortunately I've always had fantastic trips with people I've had alot of confidence in.  :hug:  (y)

Comparing my experiences with the account related here though there are plenty of warnings that all was not well. I'll detail them below as a guide to what to look for in future.

1. This chap seems to have been able to quickly organise a trip within a couple of weeks of joining a group - proper caving trips take months of planning with many emails/forum posts/pub discussions, however no firm decisions should be made beyond which region the trip will take place in until the night before.

2. Everyone seems to have met at the right cave at the right time - ideally at least one person should be in the wrong place on the wrong day, preferably the leader of the trip. At the very least the majority of participants should still be in their sleeping bags.

3. It appears he not only brought himself a matching pair of wellies but everyone else as well! - At the very least the leader should have forgotten his wellies or bought his wifes, several sizes too small. A really good sign is if he has brought one of his and one of his wifes (both the same foot).

4. The oversuits lent out were worn out and taped up - in itself very promising however there is no mention of the tape falling off at the furthest point from the entance and the suits disintegrating.

5. Again no mention of lights without batteries or brought along uncharged - what an oversight.

Many thanks to all those who've taken me on trips  :beer:, joking apart thank goodness I've never been with this lad.

 
underground

underground

Active member
adrenalin said:
Is this the same fellahttp://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/Caving#5399065106659921986
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/Caving#5399065404523847394
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/Caving#5399066001977373938

his famous rucksack, whats the cuddly toys for?
http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/zebedee.zoe/RodMoorOct2009#5394264106154881906
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Yep, that's the fella...

whatever his problem, be it schizophrenia or just being a bit desperate, he needs exposing as a fraud and people need to be aware of him and what he looks like before something really bad actually happens.
 
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owd git

Active member
If i see him sniffing around  our village again, (that was Wapping! with graffiti .)
I'll be sure to make it public.
Maybe he'd like some rope practice on High Tor. ( in the best possible taste!) :D :D :D
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david3392

david3392

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This man, although an undoubted fantasist, surely does not deserve some of the increasingly venomous responses seen on this forum. Its worrying to see threats of physical harm ['stomping' 'rope practice' 'beat some sense' etc] creeping through. Is this how we want non-cavers who have seen these posts to see us? I'm sure that these comments were made in half jest but the implication is there. I totally agree that we need to be aware of his possible presence, under or overground, but lets make our responses more constructive and less inclined to GBH. Having said all this, I'm amazed he is not aware of all the fuss he has caused. If I was he, I would arrange for a rapid posting to another disaster area!
 
biffa

biffa

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Just be aware that he has become violent before when confronted with our version of events/evaluation of his skills.
 
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