Cave_Troll
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no but i might go on one of the walks he organises and ask sensible questions about subjects (if it is him) he is an expert on .
Moorhouse is back!
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scoobz
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Hi. I am one of the walk leaders for the Sheffield Forum Walking Group. Firstly, thank you to all of you for your concerns, and the information regarding Andrew. Some of it is very revealing to say the least! At this point though, I'd like to just stick to facts, as I know them.
Andrew joined our group about 10 weeks ago and been on a number of our Sunday walks, for recreational purposes. He has not led a walk at all in this time. He did arrange to lead an overnight walk, and sought my help with this. Originally I agreed, but after further thought, I decided that a November night time walk wasn't suitable and I backed out. Eventually Andrew cancelled the walk, probably because of falling interest, although he did say it was due to being called away somewhere.
Regarding caving, privately with people he has met through our Walking Group, he has arranged 2 caving trips. I went on the first one at Giants Hole,for which he provided the 9 people present boots, overalls and helmets with lights. He led the group well, and was very knowledgable. However, he did try and get all of us to descend a 20 foot drop, which I personally didn't think I was capable of getting out of, so I declined. One person who went down the drop in fact couldn't get out, and I had to help him pull her out. We trusted that he knew what he was doing, but clearly he didn't, because in my opinion, he should never have encouraged neither her or me to go down there.
He has now left our group this week, and I very much doubt if we will see him again!
Andrew joined our group about 10 weeks ago and been on a number of our Sunday walks, for recreational purposes. He has not led a walk at all in this time. He did arrange to lead an overnight walk, and sought my help with this. Originally I agreed, but after further thought, I decided that a November night time walk wasn't suitable and I backed out. Eventually Andrew cancelled the walk, probably because of falling interest, although he did say it was due to being called away somewhere.
Regarding caving, privately with people he has met through our Walking Group, he has arranged 2 caving trips. I went on the first one at Giants Hole,for which he provided the 9 people present boots, overalls and helmets with lights. He led the group well, and was very knowledgable. However, he did try and get all of us to descend a 20 foot drop, which I personally didn't think I was capable of getting out of, so I declined. One person who went down the drop in fact couldn't get out, and I had to help him pull her out. We trusted that he knew what he was doing, but clearly he didn't, because in my opinion, he should never have encouraged neither her or me to go down there.
He has now left our group this week, and I very much doubt if we will see him again!
Turner
New member
freefall said:
if that happend to me mate, i'd be waiting in the car park and he'd wish he never crossed me...... that is a serious NO NO
As for this moorhouse chap, read all the guff, looked at his website...... this guy is as warm as toast...... wouldnt let his babysit the kids, he'd probably have them doing "handstands"....... sounds like he needs some sense beating into him..... and if he has got some..... beat that out and beat some more back in.........
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Amos666
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Can I just say that I am also a member of the Sheffield Forum & know all about the incident at Garlands Pot. Scoobz has told you about what happened down the cave, but, if it wasn't for him the lady in question would probably have been seriously injured, at best. It isn't just the fact that the group put their full trust in him assuring them that it was easy, they also put their trust in his equipment. The lady actually fell off the ladder at one point. Luckily, she had some very good quick thinking friends looking out for her & the safety rope saved her from falling, otherwise she would have had a serious accident.
Now, if this bloke has been doing this for so long, how safe is his equipment? What if his equipment had failed or he hadn't secured it properly in the first instance? It's a pity there isn't a way to take his old & bedraggled equipment off him to stop this happening again.
Now, if this bloke has been doing this for so long, how safe is his equipment? What if his equipment had failed or he hadn't secured it properly in the first instance? It's a pity there isn't a way to take his old & bedraggled equipment off him to stop this happening again.
SamT
Moderator
Turner said:
Just playing devils advocate here, but how is her falling off the ladder his fault.
And just how did the
influence anything.
Seems to me like a normal Ladder and life line was set up, and did its job perfectly well. How many novice's fall off ladders - lots I imagine. All well and good if you've got a life line, which they had.
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Amos666
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SamT said:Just playing devils advocate here, but how is her falling off the ladder his fault.
And just how did theinfluence anything.
Seems to me like a normal Ladder and life line was set up, and did its job perfectly well. How many novice's fall off ladders - lots I imagine. All well and good if you've got a life line, which they had.
To answer your questions, the quick thinking friends helped because Moorhouse was doing nothing to try to help when she was in trouble apart from saying encouraging things. It was Scoobz who's never been in a cave before, that took control, took charge of the rope to help her & stopped her from falling to the bottom.
The 2nd statement - yes she was lucky that he had set up a normal lifeline, but due to his lack of knowledge, if he had of made a mistake with setting this up, it would not have saved her. Also, his equipment was obviously very old & shabby. His caving suits & wellies were covered in duct tape in an attempt to cover the many rips & holes in them. The point is, if the rope had been in the same shabby condition, the outcome may not have been so favourable. The party who went down the cave with him were totally unaware of the potential dangers thery were putting themselves into. They trusted him 100% because they thought he was a very experienced instructor ('One of the top 50 in the country' - his words). They assumed he knew exactly what he was doing, what to do in an emergency & that his equipment was reliable.
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george
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Surely someone on here must have his number or address. If we could contact him, we could get him on here to defend himself, otherwise this is all just heresay. This could all be made up with a couple of people claiming to know him for shits and giggles. Come Mr Moorhouse, lets hear from you! :-\
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Amos666
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george said:
Believe me, when I first read all the threads from 2003, I thought exactly the same as you. Anyone can say anything about anyone on a forum & how do we know what is & isn't true & it very soon becomes a witch hunt.
I had originally asked that details about Moorhouse were not put on a public forum for this very reason, but this thread had already been started prior to this request.
But since then, after giving it much thought, if I read in the papers months from now someone had died due to his actions, I would never forgive myself for keeping it under wraps. This man is a very likeable person, probably very lonely & just desparate to make friends by pretending to be someone is so obviously isn't, & I don't believe his actions are any way malicious. But, by the very fact innocent people are putting 100% trust in his so-called magnificent expertise, this makes him dangerous.
If you do not believe in my credibility, please contact the starter of this thread, who knows who I am & I would be more than willing to discuss this further with anyone who wishes to hear the facts first-hand.
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DARBY
Guest
Mr Moorhouse, i think i met you a while ago in said pot. All i can say is if you carry on with your little act you will almost definately end up with a manslaughter charge for some poor b.....d you fooled and killed with amazing knowledge of caving and other associated sports. As for your knowledge of certain armed forces i may be able to help. Do us a favour and f..k off, cause if you get in our way we will let you know.
In a polite way please help us to make derbyshire a safer place to cave and bog off!!!!
In a polite way please help us to make derbyshire a safer place to cave and bog off!!!!
JB
Member
Of course Moorhouse is a f*ckmook; I've seen him in action at a crag and it wasn't clever! However the people who are going out with him have to take some responsibility for the situation that they're finding themselves in. I wouldn't go paragliding <or other potentially dangerous activity> with a bloke who I 'met' on the internet without doing a bit of my own research/questioning/thinking first.
I'm very glad that nobody was hurt on your Shamblers trips
Jules.
I'm very glad that nobody was hurt on your Shamblers trips
Jules.
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DARBY
Guest
Good one Jules, Has he got a Glossy Leaflet i can hand out to people i dont like.
SamT
Moderator
Amos666 said:
Cool, cool. 8)
As you say, the guy does have 'issues' and the more folks that are aware of him the better IMHO though I don't really like the tone of some folks emails, I certainly don't advocate beatings. :-\
Professional care and the right meds would go a long way.
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DARBY
Guest
who mentioned beatings!!!
JAM
New member
Well, did I do the right thing in asking "What's the story"?
I guess if it saves folk from potential danger then the answer is yes...
Looked at his website and one thing is for certain, he's more than heavily dyslexic (I know, I am mildly) or his grey matter is wired incorrectly.
Thanks for the heads up!!
Rich
I guess if it saves folk from potential danger then the answer is yes...
Looked at his website and one thing is for certain, he's more than heavily dyslexic (I know, I am mildly) or his grey matter is wired incorrectly.
Thanks for the heads up!!
Rich
Turner
New member
taken from his website..... a club that he runs.......
http://web.archive.org/web/20030225205805/members.tripod.com/smwc2001/index.html
MSpaint art FTMFW!!111!!!!
http://web.archive.org/web/20030225205805/members.tripod.com/smwc2001/index.html
MSpaint art FTMFW!!111!!!!
