New passage in Gautries!

[DAN]

That end of the cave has not yet been die tested so the water may avoid going through P8. The chances are though it will be P8 where the water flows to. But i would put money on some of the water in the final sump (the worst dive base in Derbyshire) coming from Sheepwash. But i think the next thing should be a die test and if P8 was negative that would make Gautries even more interesting.

 

[DAN]

After Diving in Gautries today in The worst Dive base in Derbyshire, Bob Toogood said he could hear Bubbles coming up in Pound Land. So we could Surface into the continuation of Pound Land .

Dan

 

[bograt]

O.K. Grandads back, I always knew Gautries had more potential than was credited, well done lads (and Bob), seem to remember back in the seventies a guy called Noel Christopher did a thesis on hydrology in the area and suggested that water from Gautries and P6 nextdoor entered the drainage beyond the second downstream sump in P8. (somewhere under Eldon Quarry) - one of Dr. Fords students, maybe refer to Dr. Beck?

 

[Rob]

Interesting, does anyone have access to Noel Christopher's thesis?

According to work done by John Gunn up to 1991 and published in Cave Science Vol 18 (April 1991), the entrance stream of Gautries, plus all the streams from P2 (Sheepwash) and P4 up to P7 all emerge next in the upstream Sump B of P8. However maybe there is a divergence causing the water to also reappear in the downstream sumps of P8..... 

For completeness, P0 and P1 go their own way to Rake Shaft and on to Main Rising, but may not have before the old mining works around the area...

 

[bograt]

For reference, some swallets west have been traced to Wormhill risings, can't keep track of P numbers, ( I'm an old caver, too many expired brain cells) Please talk to the Eyam Oracle, I'm sure he'd be able to help, if you are really stuck, P.M. me and I can perhaps stop being a senior citizen for a short while. I am really pleased that someone is giving Gautries the attention it deserves

 

[Rob]

....some swallets west have been traced to Wormhill risings....

Now that's a major statement. I will certainly be asking around now...!

 

[Graigwen]

O.K. Grandads back, I always knew Gautries had more potential than was credited, well done lads (and Bob), seem to remember back in the seventies a guy called Noel Christopher did a thesis on hydrology in the area and suggested that water from Gautries and P6 nextdoor entered the drainage beyond the second downstream sump in P8. (somewhere under Eldon Quarry) - one of Dr. Fords students, maybe refer to Dr. Beck?

I don't think Noel's doctoral thesis was published but you should be able to track details down via the British Library's EThOS site (offline for maintenance this weekend). The only time I caved with him (in 1982) he said it was about the Peak/Speedwell hydrology, which I guess would include the whole catchment. A quick search of the Web suggests it would not be difficult to contact Noel.

 

[Goydenman]

Interesting, does anyone have access to Noel Christopher's thesis?

According to work done by John Gunn up to 1991 and published in Cave Science Vol 18 (April 1991), the entrance stream of Gautries, plus all the streams from P2 (Sheepwash) and P4 up to P7 all emerge next in the upstream Sump B of P8. However maybe there is a divergence causing the water to also reappear in the downstream sumps of P8..... 

For completeness, P0 and P1 go their own way to Rake Shaft and on to Main Rising, but may not have before the old mining works around the area...

Do you mean 'A preliminary Fllod Pulse Study of Russett'  its in BCRA Transactions Vol 7 Number 1 march 1980

 

[Rob]

Sump B was 2m below normal level today, and Sump C even lower. Water still flowing into Gautries and all the other Ps, so it seems Sump B is just an overflow and that in low water conditions the water comes out lower down, as suggested by Noel...

....water from Gautries and P6 nextdoor entered the drainage beyond the second downstream sump in P8.....

Sump C was pretty muddy on the climbs down to it, is it normally?

 

[danthecavingman]

When sump B is not flowing, the water reappears in Sump 4 - the base of the Pot into Sump 4 leads into a two way passage, downstream the way on to the rest of the cave and upstream the source of the water.....the water that reappears in Sump 4 comprising the water P2 - P7 plus the P8 stream which sinks in Sump D just downstream from the base of the second pitch.

As far as I know anyway.....

D.

 

[Pitlamp]

I wasn't aware there are any sinks further west than P Zero - and I don't recall hearing of any water tracing from any of the Rushup Edge sinks linking them to Wormhill. That's an interesting possibility . . . .

 

[bograt]

Not so much Rushup, more Sparrowpit, Beelow and Barmoor Clough.

 

[Mrs Trellis]

Doesn't that area drain to the Doveholes railway (MR) tunnel and thence to the Irish sea?

Having said that Wormhill springs should get a well deserved seeing to. JB thinks there's a good possibility of large vadose passage up Flag Dale or across to great Rocks Dale.

Might be a good Credit Crunch expedition item.

 

[bograt]

The railway tunnel intersected the natural drainage, thereby diverting water from the North Sea to the Irish Sea!.

 

[Rob]

As avid Descent readers will know, a few weeks ago Gautries got a little bit longer. A muddy boulder choke off Route 68 was dug up through to gain access into an 8m high chamber (named Arrods, cos the dig was a million times better than Poundland).

The main way on is a sizeable boulder choke which has a number of strongly draughting leads. These will need a serious scaffold injection to be pursued as it's all a bit loose and slippery. Work continues.....

 

[Pipster]

Indeed I did read that  and it sounds very interesting; good stuff guys  Looking forward to seeing all the new stuff down there.

I think the chamber was referred to in Descent as "Harrods" (or did I misread it?) and not "Arrods" - which one is correct?

 

[Rob]

I think the chamber was referred to in Descent as "Harrods" (or did I misread it?) and not "Arrods" - which one is correct?

Depends where you're from...

 

[Pipster]

I think the chamber was referred to in Descent as "Harrods" (or did I misread it?) and not "Arrods" - which one is correct?

Depends where you're from...

hehe! 

 

[cavermark]

So it'll be into 'Arvey Nicks next then?

 

[Big Jim]

The main way on is a sizeable boulder choke which has a number of strongly draughting leads. These will need a serious scaffold injection to be pursued as it's all a bit loose and slippery. Work continues.....

Plenty of scaff at the Nobles Rob an Ive got a bag of a dozen or so clips in the truck if you need any.
J