New SSSI Notification

Martin Laverty

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It has been known for some time that NRW have been planning to extend the existing Llangattwg and Llangynidr SSSIs but this is the first time I have seen a public notification - Mynyddoedd Llangynidr a Llangatwg, Cefn yr Ystrad a Chomin Merthyr SSSI
The new boundaries are shown by choosing the SSSI overlay (Map Overlays > Wales > Conservation >SSSIs ) on http://caving.wales/registry/CCRm.htm

It sounds likes a fait accompli but they say: Any person with an interest in the land may make representations regarding the notification in writing to NRW ... by 29 May 2025.
 
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I'd heard warning but not seen it myself either until earlier this morning when trying (and failing) to find the road closure notice

https://publicnoticeportal.uk/notice/statutory/67a1d2e4952ba604d30b6cb9

Notice is hereby given that the Natural Resource Body for Wales otherwise known as Natural Resources Wales considers Mynyddoedd Llangynidr a Llangatwg, Cefn yr Ystrad a Chomin Merthyr to be a Site of Special Scientific Interest (SSSI).... ... including ... ... outcrops, Karst and Cave"

Edit: crossed in post with Martin
 
It is a fait accomplis according to my sources close to power. All the documents (16MB) are here if you want to know what's coming:
https://linetop.co.uk/CW/NewSSSI.zip

NRW is now said to be working on another mega-SSSI to cover the Ogof Draenen area, i.e. from the Clydach Gorge across to the Blorenge and beyond. Presumably the aim is to merge the existing Cwm Clydach, Gilwen Hill and Blorenge SSSIs filling in any gaps as they go and likely annexing some adjacent areas for good measure.

The new Llangattock Etc SSSI appears to be a bigger land area than the Brecon Beacons SSSI. Adding in effect annother huge adjacent block (i.e. all but the A465 dual carriageway itself) around Gilwern Hill will double it. Going west they could take in everthing existing west of the A470 and grab the whole lot all the way to Brynamman (minus the highways that cross it of course). One in eight square metres of Wales was an SSSI before all these extras. What is the point of this? Wales is not a "site" nor uniformly "special", "scientific" or of homogenous "interest".

Anyway, you'll all be greatly relieved to hear that the Brynmawr Sewage Works has been unscheduled from its former SSSI status in the upcoming Llangattock changes.
 
Extract from

MYNYDDOEDD LLANGYNIDR A LLANGATWG, CEFN YR YSTRAD A CHOMIN MERTHYR
SITE OF SPECIAL SCIENTIFIC INTEREST

Access for study, cave use and management
Access to study the geology, surface features and cave formations should be available. Many surface features are located on common land where there is a public right of access on foot. Access to quarries and cave systems is allowed at the discretion of the landowners.
It is important that access to the cave systems is managed to protect these delicate environments and safeguard the cave features for future study. These caves are very important for hibernating bats, and it is also vital that those who use the cave systems do so in a way that avoids detriment to the bat populations. Lesser horseshoe bats are very sensitive to disturbance and even the presence of a single person in close proximity can cause problems. Once disturbed, hibernating bats tend to wake up and fly around, using up precious fat reserves, which may be difficult to replace due to the lack of insect food in the cold winter months. Cavers and geologists should avoid areas where bats are likely to be disturbed during the winter months and any excavation or clearance work needs to be carefully controlled. Any structures placed at cave entrances to prevent unauthorized access should not hinder the passage of bats.
Cave management should involve and build on existing measures which are principally voluntary mechanisms implemented by cavers, such as taping-off sensitive cave formations, marking through routes, use of agreed codes of practice, provision of information on key areas used by bats and greatly limiting any changes to the structure of the caves. Even minor changes to cave structure can have major changes to the quality of bat roosting areas through changes to air flow, temperature and humidity. If necessary, to achieve a sufficient level of control, cave entrances may, subject to owners’ agreement, be fitted with a gate with an appropriate access regime established.
 
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Given NRW are in a financial mess and are bleeding experienced staff at an alarming rate I very much doubt if anything will happen :-)

The key phase is 'subject to owners’ agreement, be fitted with a gate with an appropriate access regime established' so unless NRW are going to hand out money they haven't got I cannot see landowners wasting money of gates...

Dave
 
This application amused me as I recall and have now found a statement by the Welsh Government / NRW in the 2020 judicial review, the DETAILED GROUNDS OF DEFENCE OF THE WELSH MINISTERS. That stated at paragraph 64:

"The Welsh Ministers have no firm position as to whether caves fall within s.1(2) of the 2000 Act (albeit noting the persuasive position NRW takes). That is because, regardless of whether or not caves fall within that definition of ‘open country’, cave entrances and the underground space they lead to do not appear on conclusive maps issued by the appropriate countryside body. In Wales this is NRW (see s.4(2) of the 2000 Act)."

I note the maps included in the bundle Stuart pulled together do mention a few cave entrance names but I suspect not all, and perhaps more importantly the cave passage being subject to the citation. I wonder how they square the two approaches.

I also note that at paragraph 66, the defence stated:

"Maps were originally developed by the Countryside Council for Wales (the predecessor to NRW) in 2005 and NRW subsequently reviewed and re-issued the maps in digital form in 2014 following a statutory review, which included opportunity for representation on the draft maps (see s.5(b) of the 2000 Act). This was the proper moment for the issue of statutory interpretation raised in this case to be ventilated. These maps are available on the NRW website.1 Given the statutory definition of access land in s.1(1)(a) of the 2000 Act referring to NRW conclusive maps, any other maps, such as ordinance survey maps, are irrelevant."

(The lone 1 in this paragraph is a foot note link to the relevant NRW web site.)

I leave it to Caving Wales to consider how to take this point forward.
 
ordinance survey - where did that typo come from? In a legal context, what might the consequence be?
 
I just copied the text. Have just checked and yes it is spelt with an extra i. Since it was saying "any other maps, such as ordinance survey maps, are irrelevant" I would expect the bit "such as ordinance survey maps" is irrelevent. So just read it as "any other maps are irrelevant".
 
The problem is that officialdom makes it up as they go along, and the people doing the ‘making up’ may be out of their depth or unqualified in the domains they are working in: be it a 'map', what 'open-air' or 'land' or an 'Occupier' mean legally, or in scientific nature conservation documents. All of this has been going on quite a while.

SSSI SMS documents (Site Management Statements) according to NRW “have no legal force”. They document how the Statutory Conservation Body (i.e. NRW) envisages the SSSI being used and looked after. I would say that if their content cannot be relied on by visitors and landowners becuase it has no logal validity then they should not have been produced or published.

SMS documents are often copy-pasted, for example the phrase “Once disturbed, hibernating bats tend to wake up fly around, using up precious fat reserves…” which is quoted in an earlier post on this thread also appears verbatim in the SSSI Citation for Gilwern Hill too.

SSSI Citations define the local scientific interest, i.e. listing the specific conservation aims, and the public documents state they have no legal force (you have to consult NRW to get a definitive version which is equivalent to make-it-up-as-you-go-along). Their content can be copy-pasted as well. The various SSSIs up the Wye Valley obviously have copy-pasted content: in other words they were a generic desk exercise and were not based on actual survey work.

Many original SSSI conservation surveys (assuming they ever existed) have been lost. An NRW staffer commented “they probably ended up in a skip in Bangor”. In fact they went into a skip in Yorkshire but that’s another story.

An example of ignorance at work concerns Brittle Bladder Fern at Gilwern Hill, said to be rare in Monmouthshire. The Citation does not mention that it is distributed worldwide from Anchorage to Vladivostok according to Kew Science, and is common as muck in wet cool woodland generally across the entire northern hemisphere. The same Citation also cites Ash trees which too are common as muck - and both these species occur naturally in my back garden. If not having something or much of it (because the local conditions do not favour it – like clay and mud abundant in Monmouthshire being disliked by ferns) then perhaps my garden can be scheduled too for not having banana plants or a herd of elephants and only rarely do I see a hedgehog or slow worm. To my mind, not having something at all, or not much of it locally, is nothing special at all because that species is only doing what nature dictates which is to live in those places which naturally favour it.

During my 10 years as the C&A Officer for Wales, there has been a definite shift in the outlook of officialdom away from the friendly, engaging, non-threatening advisory stance of the former CCW, towards one of confrontation, confliction, coercion and control as practiced by the present regime. What this means for caving is that my role, whoever does it, is now one where being on top of all relevant legislation going back a century, and having direct experience of commercial negotiation, ideally litigation too, is almost a necessity. But looking on the bright side: if NRW can’t afford to pay a botanist to go count ferns then they most certainly can’t afford a barrister.
 
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The problem is that officialdom makes it up as they go along, and the people doing the ‘making up’ may be out of their depth or unqualified in the domains they are working in: be it a 'map', what 'open-air' or 'land' or an 'Occupier' mean legally, or in scientific nature conservation documents. All of this has been going on quite a while.

SSSI SMS documents (Site Management Statements) according to NRW “have no legal force”. They document how the Statutory Conservation Body (i.e. NRW) envisages the SSSI being used and looked after. I would say that if their content cannot be relied on by visitors and landowners becuase it has no logal validity then they should not have been produced or published.

SMS documents are often copy-pasted, for example the phrase “Once disturbed, hibernating bats tend to wake up fly around, using up precious fat reserves…” which is quoted in an earlier post on this thread also appears verbatim in the SSSI Citation for Gilwern Hill too.

SSSI Citations define the local scientific interest, i.e. listing the specific conservation aims, and the public documents state they have no legal force (you have to consult NRW to get a definitive version which is equivalent to make-it-up-as-you-go-along). Their content can be copy-pasted as well. The various SSSIs up the Wye Valley obviously have copy-pasted content: in other words they were a generic desk exercise and were not based on actual survey work.

Many original SSSI conservation surveys (assuming they ever existed) have been lost. An NRW staffer commented “they probably ended up in a skip in Bangor”. In fact they went into a skip in Yorkshire but that’s another story.

An example of ignorance at work concerns Brittle Bladder Fern at Gilwern Hill, said to be rare in Monmouthshire. The Citation does not mention that it is distributed worldwide from Anchorage to Vladivostok according to Kew Science, and is common as muck in wet cool woodland generally across the entire northern hemisphere. The same Citation also cites Ash trees which too are common as muck - and both these species occur naturally in my back garden. If not having something or much of it (because the local conditions do not favour it – like clay and mud abundant in Monmouthshire being disliked by ferns) then perhaps my garden can be scheduled too for not having banana plants or a herd of elephants and only rarely do I see a hedgehog or slow worm. To my mind, not having something at all, or not much of it locally, is nothing special at all because that species is only doing what nature dictates which is to live in those places which naturally favour it.

During my 10 years as the C&A Officer for Wales, there has been a definite shift in the outlook of officialdom away from the friendly, engaging, non-threatening advisory stance of the former CCW, towards one of confrontation, confliction, coercion and control as practiced by the present regime. What this means for caving is that my role, whoever does it, is now one where being on top of all relevant legislation going back a century, and having direct experience of commercial negotiation, ideally litigation too, is almost a necessity. But looking on the bright side: if NRW can’t afford to pay a botanist to go count ferns then they most certainly can’t afford a barrister.
We have bumped into 4 people over the past 5 or 6 years who worked for NRW , in north wales . They usually say alright chaps what you doing “ we answer something daft like swimming “

They say no common , we know your of underground .


na I am not .

Then they say something along the lines of .

“I know every inch of these woods “ I use to manage this area when I worked for them .

When they use to have a clue .
They sacked me and many others .

Every time it’s ended up an interesting conversation.


I have no proof or nothing , but it seems from an outside point of view ,there has been mega changes in staffing .
 
... ... ... But looking on the bright side: if ... ... can’t afford to pay a botanist to go count ferns then they most certainly can’t afford a barrister.
Maybe I'm more pessimistic of human nature, but I think that difficult confrontational people in general, will prioritise the resources need for confrontation, over other things.

Perhaps the key is to remain as low a grade irritation as possible (keeping a low profile), rather than becoming a battle for them to fight. That way they might spend their time harassing someone else less fortunate.
 
Re: definitive maps. As I said, NRW, and their partner the Welsh Government, seem to just make things up to bolster their anti-caving narrative. Presumably an "ordinance survey" is a review of religious rituals, or a study on decrees and edicts etc?

Bob is right to point out that NRW/WG cannot have it both ways: if caves would have to be shown on OS maps (or NRW's definitive maps) for caves to fall within the scope of the CRoW Act's public access provisions, then the caves would also have to be drawn on OS maps (or NRW's SSSI maps) for caves to fall within the scope of... oh dear... the very same CRoW Act which has subsumed all the earlier SSSI legislation into its Schedule 9 etc.

The WG's defence in the BCA's 2020 JR case sidestepped NRW's claim that 'caving is not open-air recreation' and instead proffered Access Land maps not showing cave passage topology in print as a reason that 'Access Land does not apply to caves'. So, we'll have to wait to see which way the Supreme Court appeal goes on Dartmoor camping where the Court of Appeal has already unanimously ruled that being enclosed inside a tent is still open-air recreation if the overall context is outdoors recreation. The CA has also ruled that being asleep (whether in a tent or not) is still recreation despite the person being unconscious while asleep. One can imagine the Supreme Court has better things to do with its time than be asked to decide if tent canvas converts open-air recreation into something else and whether recreation includes sleeping, so it might be a while in coming.

There are other public access rights for recreation besides CRoW, the Dartmoor Commons Act being one of them. The other is the Law of Property Act 1925 (LPA) which still stands. Section 193 gives the public the right to "air and exercise" on Urban Commons. There are commons withing the boundary of any urban district council as it was in 1925. So, for example, hills above Ambleside are not CRoW Access Land because Ambleside was an urban district council in 1925 and so they remain urban common; the ones above Grasmere became CRoW now because it was a rural district council in 1925. Similar applies here in Wales where one half of Gilwern Hill is urban common and the other half is CRoW. Note that the Drws Cefn and Nunnery entrances to Ogof Draenen are on urban common land, not CRoW Access Land.

NRW (and thus WG) do not dispute that caving is "air and exercise" so they fall back on to distorting something else so as to try to exclude caving. In the case of urban commons, NRW claims that caves are not part of the "land" where the public can take "air and exercise". However, land is defined in detail at Section 205 of the same Act as "Land includes land of any tenure including mines and minerals whether or not held apart from the surface ... whether the division is horizontal, vertical or in any other way... and mines and minerals includes any strata or seam or substances in or under any land...". This clearly is 3-dimensional so includes caves amongst everything else subterranean. Nigel Rogers and myself Judicial Reviewed NRW in 2014 concerning the getting of a bat licence for PDCMG's use by the landowner to permit concreting the Drws Cefn entrance to Ogof Draenen. Our case was that concrete would prevent public access to the cave enjoyed as of right under Sections 193 and 205, thus unlawful. NRW conceded the case before it got to court, with NRW oddly saying "We are withdrawing this licence application" which surely is an act that is only in the gift of the applicant, not the permitting authority. Later on NRW spun it that we gave up our case when the truth is that they decided not to contest it.

We must be vigilant, bold and robust in our dealings with the likes of NRW, rebutting each and every instance of semantic manipulation that is designed to undermine Parliament's broadly cast public access rights, all of which could have but none did expressly exclude caving.
 
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