The penultimate one looks like Thornton Force iced up, and if so, I guess the last one is someone standing behind the force (we don't get winters like that any more!).
Here they are right-side up:
Here they are right-side up:
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Hi. I just took a picture with my iPad of the prints. I don?t understand why they are upside down. Like I said I?m afraid I don?t quite get how you put them on a web site. This is the first time I have done it. I think they are my dads photos. He would have developed them himself.
Yes. Thornton?s Force for sure. This is my dad behind the falls. I think 1950. He is too young for the bad winter of 63. Also he would have 3 children in tow.
I recognise my uncle (my dads older brother) on one of them. Like I said the one in the jacket with the rolled up ladders. Everybody else I don?t know. Some might be there cousins. They died before I was born.
Thanks for turning them round.
Yes. Thornton?s Force for sure. This is my dad behind the falls. I think 1950. He is too young for the bad winter of 63. Also he would have 3 children in tow.
I recognise my uncle (my dads older brother) on one of them. Like I said the one in the jacket with the rolled up ladders. Everybody else I don?t know. Some might be there cousins. They died before I was born.
Thanks for turning them round.
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If you are just taking a shot with your ipad and then posting them you've probably got your ipad at different angles to the right way round. I'm not an ipad person but I would have thought if they are the correct orientation on the original file then they should post the same way too. I hope someone will be able to give better advice. What i do know is that it is simple when you know how...
Cheers for posting
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That GG winch gantry picture doesn't look like a CPC gantry - more like a BPC one. (This is more based on hunch than research.) If that's right, it places a maximum age on the photograph, because the first BPC winch meet was not until 1950.
The CPC was still using a timber gantry by the time of its first post war meet (1947) as seen in the many photographs of the body recovery operation of that year.
There was a BSA winch meet in June 1946 but I'm not familiar with any photographs of their gantry; however, I'd be surprised if they used scaffolding to build it, so early. They may of course have borrowed a CPC gantry, which would have been timber at that stage. There will be records of such details in existence in various club libraries of course but they'd take some accessing (especially at the moment, with the coronavirus lockdown).
I believe there was considerable co-operation between the CPC & BPC, as the latter were helped to get their first winch meet together by the former, due to the CPC's experience in setting up a winch at GG. If so, I suspect the first BPC gantry would have been timber. In which case that photo may post-date 1950.
The CPC was still using a timber gantry by the time of its first post war meet (1947) as seen in the many photographs of the body recovery operation of that year.
There was a BSA winch meet in June 1946 but I'm not familiar with any photographs of their gantry; however, I'd be surprised if they used scaffolding to build it, so early. They may of course have borrowed a CPC gantry, which would have been timber at that stage. There will be records of such details in existence in various club libraries of course but they'd take some accessing (especially at the moment, with the coronavirus lockdown).
I believe there was considerable co-operation between the CPC & BPC, as the latter were helped to get their first winch meet together by the former, due to the CPC's experience in setting up a winch at GG. If so, I suspect the first BPC gantry would have been timber. In which case that photo may post-date 1950.
The photos have been scanned at a resolution of around 3264x2448 pixels which is very large. At that resolution, the board software produces a thumbnail which can be clicked to display the original image. The originals are oriented correctly but for some reason the board software is messing up the orientation. To overcome this problem, it's best to re-size the originals to around 800 pixels in width before uploading.
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So I think it is likely 1950 first BPC winch meet if 1949 didn?t exist. My mother would be one year out in her memory. They camped.
I think you mean the bridge. Alum pot. The helmet less person could be at the top of the greasy slab. No helmet through lower long churn though?
I really haven?t got any more pics. Although these two might be of interest. Very personal as this is my mum and dad camping at gaping gill. I?ve enclosed out of interest but don?t give much away. Right I have turned the iPad round.
My uncles name was Fred North. I think the keen cousin was called Jeff North. Look at Bown Scar Cave. This was there initial exploration I believe during the war.
I think you mean the bridge. Alum pot. The helmet less person could be at the top of the greasy slab. No helmet through lower long churn though?
I really haven?t got any more pics. Although these two might be of interest. Very personal as this is my mum and dad camping at gaping gill. I?ve enclosed out of interest but don?t give much away. Right I have turned the iPad round.
My uncles name was Fred North. I think the keen cousin was called Jeff North. Look at Bown Scar Cave. This was there initial exploration I believe during the war.
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I?m pretty sure that?s Jeff North and his brother. I can?t remember his name. Possibly Fred. But these are my dads pictures so he might have been around.
Has anyone been in Bown Scar. I have when I heard the story of my family , early 80s. Wet suit on it was still pretty desperately cold caving trip. I don?t know what there bit of exploration was. Maybe NPC know where they picked up the exploration.
Has anyone been in Bown Scar. I have when I heard the story of my family , early 80s. Wet suit on it was still pretty desperately cold caving trip. I don?t know what there bit of exploration was. Maybe NPC know where they picked up the exploration.
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Completely agree David.
On a separate note, re. the image in a different post of the big leaning slab in Alum Pot's main shaft; isn't that "The Bridge", as opposed to the "Greay Slab"?
The Greasy Slab is the short pitch after the Dolly Tubs i.e. the first pitch in the open pot. Image DE1A64E7-0063-4DA2-95BC-6C2BCC7BBC56.jpg might be of that but I'm not sure.
So ? here's a picture of the Dolly Tubs Pitch using a good-old-fashioned ladder. We managed to pack the damn thing into my ancient (good-old-fashioned) rucksac (but only just), and transporting it through one of the easiset caves in the Dales was something of a pain; it gave us an inkling of what the pioneers had to contend with.
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Most people call it sand caverns these days. I think I called south east passage, lumbago way.
I think what?s interesting is the rough sketch of Henslers. It looks a bit of a last minute add on. Otherwise most other passages seem fairly accurate. Grainger and Simpson are credited for the survey. Is Eric Hensler the next generation. Or not part of Simpson?s team. Or it?s just been found and Eric did a rough survey and was allowed to add it to Simpson and Graingers survey.
I think what?s interesting is the rough sketch of Henslers. It looks a bit of a last minute add on. Otherwise most other passages seem fairly accurate. Grainger and Simpson are credited for the survey. Is Eric Hensler the next generation. Or not part of Simpson?s team. Or it?s just been found and Eric did a rough survey and was allowed to add it to Simpson and Graingers survey.
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Looking the bedrock under the ladder of Graham?s pic of the dolly tubs, compared to my pic of the helmetless jacketed man watching someone climbing the ladder. It looks the same to me.
Thanks Graham?s. It looks like that?s dolly tubs. Seems like it didn?t deserve a lifeline or helmet!
I always had that down as the top of the gully, marble steps.
Thanks Graham?s. It looks like that?s dolly tubs. Seems like it didn?t deserve a lifeline or helmet!
I always had that down as the top of the gully, marble steps.
Just to clear up a bit of confusion, I think the helmetless caver is on the Greasy Slab, the short pitch *after* the Dolly Tubs. The photo which I originally thought was the Dolly Tubs ( C41C7ED6-7F10-4C49-8A05-74F267DD361F.jpg ) is definitely the third pitch in Sell Gill as spotted by Langcliffe.
Thanks for posting those photos. They took me back to when I started in the mid 60s when we had rope ladders with corelene sides and ash rungs. For lifelines we used ulstron which I understand is finely spun polypropylene, so slippery that you couldn't tie a safe knot.
Thanks for posting those photos. They took me back to when I started in the mid 60s when we had rope ladders with corelene sides and ash rungs. For lifelines we used ulstron which I understand is finely spun polypropylene, so slippery that you couldn't tie a safe knot.
