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mikem

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As a term, cisgender combines the Latin prefix cis-, meaning “on this side,” with gender, in contrast to transgender, where the prefix trans- signals something is “across” or “on the other side.”

The term has at times been controversial and subject to critique... (Wikipedia)
 
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PeteHall

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there is of course no such thing as objective reality.
Wow! What a statement! Is that really the thinking these days???

Maybe I'll just make up my next survey instead of finishing the dig. Same thing right?

Or perhaps I'll keep digging and give it a really un-PC name when it goes (which will obviously be next week in the reality of my mind).
 

Loki

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This thing went off the intended topic with the first reply and never recovered! Funny nonetheless.

Not many cave related names are springing to mind. So far I have the Fatometer and Better Dead than Welsh. Neither of which can I think of a suitable alternative for. Oh hang on there’s Not for the Fat Bastard in ireby.
 

Roger W

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It isn't a cave, of course, but if I remember correctly the Black Dyke Band came in for some criticism of its name a while ago.. And the alternative name for the Peak Cavern - which was was printed with asterisks or dashes in place of some of the letters in a guide book I picked up when I was younger - seems now to be considered fit for general consumption.
 

Hunter

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Slightly off topic but this whole woke PC thing will untimately implode upon itself, it has to as we are now moving into the relm of a denial of reality. "Men can have babies too" is the most ridiculous so far. - So far.
Men can have babies too", only if they’re called Loretta aka Stan and intend to let the foetus gestate in a box!
 

Loki

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It isn't a cave, of course, but if I remember correctly the Black Dyke Band came in for some criticism of its name a while ago.. And the alternative name for the Peak Cavern - which was was printed with asterisks or dashes in place of some of the letters in a guide book I picked up when I was younger - seems now to be considered fit for general consumption.
Haha yes. I guess ‘Beelzibubs hairy ring piece’ had already been taken by the rrcpc when they decided to revert the name.
 

mrodoc

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That quote from Roy regarding the woman who thought men could give birth through their penis clearly had zero knowledge of human anatomy. I know the cervix stretches during the birth process but it is connected to a womb whereas anything coming out of a urethra would have gestated in the bladder (not known for its nurturing facility)
 

Brown

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Oh for love of ….
Just for fun what non pc named bits of cave can you come up with and provide a funny yet pc alternative suggestion?
The first copy of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (I dimly remember reading) had the Umper Lumpers described as being a labour union busting import of pigmy negro's brought in from Africa and employed under dubious indentured labour practices.

This was re-written by Roald Dahl himself as times and attitudes changed. Presumably this casts him into the Woke Revisionist camp and creates a paradox in which all the reactionary voices are sucked up their own backsides.
 

tony from suffolk

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It isn't a cave, of course, but if I remember correctly the Black Dyke Band came in for some criticism of its name a while ago.. And the alternative name for the Peak Cavern - which was was printed with asterisks or dashes in place of some of the letters in a guide book I picked up when I was younger - seems now to be considered fit for general consumption.
I'm certainly no prude, but I really loathe that "alternative' name for Peak Cavern.
 

Fjell

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For the innocent this is an interesting long read. It’s one that left experienced child psychologists with their jaws on the table and informs why there is quite some confusion as to what is going on - not least amongst clinicians in this country in recent years (as can be gleaned from the Cass review).

 

kay

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Slightly off topic but this whole woke PC thing will untimately implode upon itself, it has to as we are now moving into the relm of a denial of reality. "Men can have babies too" is the most ridiculous so far. - So far.
I'm reminded of the early days of the National Lottery. when it was being advertised under the slogan "It could be you". A group wanting to picture the probablilty of it actually being you produced and advert of a surprised loonging man in a maternity ward bed clutching a baby.
 

langcliffe

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For the innocent this is an interesting long read. It’s one that left experienced child psychologists with their jaws on the table and informs why there is quite some confusion as to what is going on - not least amongst clinicians in this country in recent years (as can be gleaned from the Cass review).


That is a horrific story. It says a lot about the perils of social network echo chambers.
 

andrewmcleod

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For the innocent this is an interesting long read. It’s one that left experienced child psychologists with their jaws on the table and informs why there is quite some confusion as to what is going on - not least amongst clinicians in this country in recent years (as can be gleaned from the Cass review).

1) teenagers (even adult ones) sometimes haven't quite worked out who they are yet. This is really not such a radical idea. In this case, no transitioning occurred as a child - we are talking about an adult.
2) if you don't have a small number of people transitioning who subsequently realise that they have made a mistake, then you are almost certainly holding back a larger number of people for whom transitioning is the wrong thing and overall doing more harm than good.
3) I am always disappointed when cavers, who many would consider traditionally counter-culture, start telling other people who they are and how they should be or judging their choices.
4) a simple rule for life: don't be obnoxious.
5) gender is an entirely cultural concept. If you don't understand, this is entirely fine, but maybe see point 4.
6) for any given 'the young today are so radical/woke/whatever', you can find a historical analogue where people are complaining about pretty much the same or a similar thing. There is nothing radically special about now.
7) the young today have freedoms that previous generations did not have (but this isn't new, see point 6). There's no need to be judgemental about how they choose to use those freedoms (see point 4).

Going back to Roald Dahl: this is not censorship. The original versions will always be available. Censorship would be banning the publisher from making more inclusive versions for those people who want to let their children read excellent stories without picking up out of date prejudices and stereotyping.
 

andrewmcleod

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That is a horrific story. It says a lot about the perils of social network echo chambers.
And yet it ends with her going to another social media echo chamber, this time with the TERFs... It's not enough just for her to have made a mistake, but all other trans people have to be wrong as well.

There are, I'm sure, many tragedies in this story. Perhaps if this girl had more supportive parents, she could have been diagnosed and treated appropriately for her mental illnesses while still a child. Perhaps if her parents were more supportive then she wouldn't have been so confused about her gender identity in the first place.

It's OK to make mistakes.
There's a lot of blame being thrown around in that post.

What I don't think is wrong here is that an adult showing they are very well informed with the issues, and having lived as a male for several years, being able to access treatment. Turns out the treatment didn't work out - well sometimes that will happen. For all the US right-wing go on about freedom they are remarkably stingy about actually giving it to people.
 

mikem

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I'm certainly no prude, but I really loathe that "alternative' name for Peak Cavern.
Peak is the alternative...

"More recently, Peak Cavern has had somewhat of an identity crisis. Originally called “Devil’s Arse” due to the flatulence-like sounds that emanate from within the caverns, the name was changed in 1880 to “Peak Cavern” in order to avoid causing the then visiting Queen Victoria any offence."
 
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