Pearls taken from Bakers

[cap n chris]

Indeed.

A start though would be for nests of pearls to be sufficiently on the other side of tape that they are not within arm's reach. At least anyone then attempting to exercise their freedom as a human being to engage in damaging enterprises would be easily spotted by other group members.

There's no system which could stop a lone caver, unobserved, doing whatever-the-hell-they-like, though. Arguing about it won't alter that.

 

[Lazarus]

Whereas you'd let everybody come in and see the hole where the pearls used to be. That'd work.

Did I say that? No, don't think I did. Diversion tactics yet again. Goodbye.

No, you didn't say anything useful or practical at all and clearly you are not going to. You are merely going to sneer and when someone challenges you on that, you run. Goodbye.

Just thought I'd pop back on as I have a spare minute. Let's have a quick look at you graham; first post you assume I'm sneering gated/leader-systems. Second post you ask what I would do, despite having offered nothing worthwhile yourself. Third was random wittering. Fourth you assume you know my mind and incorrectly post garbage that you try to portray as my ideals. And to finish you post incorrect rambling rubbish - I'm not running away, it's just I have a life and don't want to waste my time on here discussing petty matters with someone that quite clearly spends too much time on here. As a final point, you have also failed to offer any solutions or anything worthwhile, stop trying to deflect attention. Goodnight.
Thankfully Alka and Cap'n have posted something worthwhile - I don't know the cave but it sounds as if taping might have been inadequate?
Plus of course it proves yet again gated caves offer no real protection, a D-key would have been just as useful!

 

[Blakethwaite]

Maybe they've been put in a museum!

Fair enough, maybe some cave syintists (sic) can explain why these lumps of calcite should be left where they are, rather than showed to Joe Public?

:-[

 

[graham]

Let's have a quick look at you graham

have we met?

first post you assume I'm sneering gated/leader-systems.

I read your post anybody else can do the same.

Second post you ask what I would do,

Which you didn't answer.

despite having offered nothing worthwhile yourself.

Apart from support for those systems that you criticise.

Third was random wittering.

Nothing to actually criticise then.

Fourth you assume you know my mind and incorrectly post garbage that you try to portray as my ideals.

See above, I read your posts.

And to finish you post incorrect rambling rubbish

Again, you have nothing specific to actually contribute. Ho hum.

- I'm not running away,

Really? It seemed you were refusing to engage further.

it's just I have a life and don't want to waste my time on here discussing petty matters with someone that quite clearly spends too much time on here.

What is petty about protecting delicate caves?


What is the 'correct' amount of time? Where are these rules laid down?

As a final point, you have also failed to offer any solutions or anything worthwhile,

Apart from my general support for warden systems?

stop trying to deflect attention. Goodnight.

Goodnight.

Thankfully Alka and Cap'n have posted something worthwhile - I don't know the cave but it sounds as if taping might have been inadequate?

Oh, not goodnight?

Plus of course it proves yet again gated caves offer no real protection, a D-key would have been just as useful!

D-keys do not come with issuing systems which may, hopefully, allow the miscreants to be traced and educated, or possibly even be prosecuted.

What about a warden?

 

[cap n chris]

Warden systems do work at conservation; sadly though they have a significant downside which is that they pretty much evaporate the exploration/survey interpretation available in what is a quite intricate "maze cave", namely Bakers Pit. Perhaps more stringent pre-key bona fide checking might help filter out self-led groups of non-conservation-minded visitors.

 

[Peter Burgess]

Of course, cave pearls are not only easily nicked, they could also be easily put back, unlike stal. So, if anyone has obtained some by whatever means, possibly way back in the mists of time, possibly from a now destroyed or lost cave, they could be donated to restore this pool to something like its former state? How about that for a positive suggestion, totally lacking in any kind of judgement or partisan opinion?

 

[tony from suffolk]

Once the culprit has been identified they should be immediately disembowelled with a blunt knife, their innards strewn over the fields to be consumed by crows.

This may be seen by some to be rather harsh, but hopefully it would make others reluctant to repeat this type of desecration.

Seriously though, it's nigh on impossible to prevent someone with a lack of understanding from casually plucking a few cave pearls from their nest. And just how their beauty largely vanishes once they're no longer viewed in their natural setting. I always went out of my way to show novices cave pearls and explain their importance.

 

[Peter Burgess]

Crows? That's contentious! I suggest herring gulls.

 

[JasonC]

.... Perhaps more stringent pre-key bona fide checking might help filter out self-led groups of non-conservation-minded visitors.

Not wanting to be negative, but can you imagine the howls of protest from a "self-led group of non-conservation-minded visitors" who were denied access ?

"Elitist" management committees who "sit in judgement" and "only give permits to their mates" seem to be less than popular with some cavers, if this forum is any guide

 

[cap n chris]

But wouldn't it be more like "Conservation-minded management committees deciding to only provide access to conservation-minded cavers", though?

 

[Joe90]

A laugh is a laugh but i think you should just put them back now Joe.....

 

[rhychydwr1]

A Morgan did it:

http://www.mcra.org.uk/logbooks/index.php?display=SSSS%2FLog%20Book%2003%20%281944%20to%201947%29%2FPage%20017.jpg

 

[bograt]

Aargh!!!, seems like theres something lacking in the education at Sidcott School!!!

 

[Peter Burgess]

Good spot, Tony.

 

[exsumper]

I'm not sure if having experienced cavers makes that much difference!  On Mendip significant speleothems /stals have already been smashed in recently discovered caves by very experienced cavers, A large stal in Hunters Lodge Inn Sink and some large curtains and stals  in recent extensions to caves on Eastern Mendip. On that basis, The best protection for speleothems would be to ban cave photographers models!

As someone said you can't educate pork and you can't protect against clumsy hamfisted idiots.

 

[tamarmole]

Up in Edinburgh on a brief visit I popped into "Mr Wood's Fossil Shop" just off the Grassmarket.  I was less than impressed to see three cave pearls from Teesdale for sale.

http://www.mrwoodsfossils.co.uk/

 

[Blakethwaite]

I reckon Fagin's Fossil Shop are actually selling mine rather than cave pearls, taken from a very nice spot indeed. Shame they can't keep their sticky little fingers off...