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Photography kit Upgrade - what do you think?

cavermark

New member
Fulk said:
grahams:

electronic flash 'freezes' water in a very unpleasant way

A matter of opinion?

Well it does "freeze water"  - what you feel about it is opinion. Many find the blurring you get from a longer exposure to light, such as a bulb, to be more pleasing.
 

bograt

Active member
I found that using a separate slave switch on a bulb flash to illuminate falling water, triggered by electronic, gave a pleasing effect, the electronic gives a good foreground and the bulb makes the water look good, still trying to find the slide  :mad:
 

grahams

Well-known member
Fulk said:
grahams:

electronic flash 'freezes' water in a very unpleasant way

A matter of opinion?
There are many ways to do this. All I can say is that my cave photography (such as it is) has improved no end since I started using LED floodlighting. Looking at Amy's excellent photos on her site, I prefer the one's where she's blurred the water but that's just my opinion.
 

Fulk

Well-known member
Well it does "freeze water"  - what you feel about it is opinion.

OK, I wasn't out to ruffle anyone's feathers.  :cautious: Of course a flash going off at 1/1000 sec or whatever will 'freeze' water relative to a bulb that burns for 1/30 sec, it was just the description 'unpleasant' that I was indicating is a matter for opinion.
 

grahams

Well-known member
Fulk said:
Well it does "freeze water"  - what you feel about it is opinion.

OK, I wasn't out to ruffle anyone's feathers.  :cautious: Of course a flash going off at 1/1000 sec or whatever will 'freeze' water relative to a bulb that burns for 1/30 sec, it was just the description 'unpleasant' that I was indicating is a matter for opinion.
No problem - feathers in good shape. (y)
 

The Old Ruminator

Well-known member
Yup a great photo at the top of the thread but do I detect that purple colour that some LED's seem to impart? Perhaps that could be balanced out in the editing phase if that's the case. Another yes to the Firefly 3. Mine has worked well so far and has never let me down. Always trigger mine by on camera flash. Ultimately it always comes down to the sort of cave photography you want to do. Folk are familiar with my " journalistic approach ". Done on the move with simple techniques and rarely posed. Always trying to convey the " moment " with a bit of humour thrown in. I do find cave photography is becoming formulaic with posed figures and back lighting being the norm. My Scurion is OK for highlights and backlights and often balances out the lighting in the view. Would you then say a good helmet light can be part of your photographic kit ? We had the acronym KISS in dive training ( keep it simple stupid ) and I wonder if a little of that ethic might apply in cave photography after all your initially enthusiastic models can soon get fed up with complicated set ups. At the end of the day get a good editing suite on the pc and learn how to use it.
 

The Old Ruminator

Well-known member
Scurion highlight on model against a black background. A bit of modelling on the rock and on camera flash. The important thing it's unposed as I just waited for the model to look " right ".

 

cavermark

New member
Fulk said:
Well it does "freeze water"  - what you feel about it is opinion.

OK, I wasn't out to ruffle anyone's feathers.  :cautious: Of course a flash going off at 1/1000 sec or whatever will 'freeze' water relative to a bulb that burns for 1/30 sec, it was just the description 'unpleasant' that I was indicating is a matter for opinion.

If that sounded a bit short it wasn't meant to be - plumage is in good order thanks.  :)
 

Fulk

Well-known member
The point I was trying to make is that ? in my opinion ? there is room for all the different techniques mentioned in this thread (and, of course others ? if you want to experiment with burning magnesium ribbon, for example, fair enough).

Sometimes I prefer the 'frozen' effect, sometimes I think it looks naff; sometimes I like the 'flowing' effect (and I agree with grahams about Amy's pics here), sometimes I love the ethereal, unworldly effect of a really long shutter speed . . . but on occasion it looks overdone.

So ? i guess it's a case of a gut reaction to a particular picture.
 
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