Recent forum problems

[Hughie]

Thanks, Clunk.

Got an average of 131. Is that good or bad?

 

[clunk]

Thanks, Clunk.

Got an average of 131. Is that good or bad?

About average.
In the online game world, anything less then 200 is ok.
Although there are some hardcore gamers who wont settle for more then 10.

 

[whitelackington]

What ping do you get to the site?

How do you ping this site, and what score is good? I know what a ping is but don't know how to do it, and may be good for future reference. Thanks!

Start > run
type 'cmd' then pres enter.
at the prompt type 'ping www.ukcaving.com'

Generally speaking, the lower it is the better.
The ping is the time in micro seconds it takes for the signal to get from you to server and back again.

I know NOTHING about computers, I did wot u suggested clunk got as far as "pingwww.ukcaving.com"

but it won't do anything,
obviously, I'm missing the point. :-\

 

[bubba]

you are putting a space between "ping" and "ukcaving.com"?

 

[whitelackington]

you are putting a space between "ping" and "ukcaving.com"?

With or without a space
"pingwww.ukcaving.com"
or
"ping www.ukcaving.com"


it still says
" is not recognized as an internal or external command operable program or batch file"

 

[bubba]

Which OS are you using?

 

[whitelackington]

Which OS are you using?

if os means operating system
is windows xp the right answer?

 

[darkplaces]

Click buttons..

START > RUN

Enter CMD in the command box and click OK

A Black text box appears.

Type;

ping 209.135.140.14

You should get something like;
Reply from 209.135.140.14: bytes=32 time=144ms TTL=42
Reply from 209.135.140.14: bytes=32 time=142ms TTL=42
Reply from 209.135.140.14: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=42

Also type;
tracert 209.135.140.14

 

[menacer]

I had to switch off my internet security programme to get a return ping..... of 131...uptil then the ping timed out and was lost, my internet seems to work fine though.....

 

[clunk]

I had to switch off my internet security programme to get a return ping..... of 131...uptil then the ping timed out and was lost, my internet seems to work fine though.....

Ah yes, it wont work for anyone who uses the piece of crap that is norton anti virus.
May not work if you are doing it from a government computer. Jobcentre, schools, etc...

 

[clunk]

Mind you, I just pinged www.c**tplaces.co.uk and it just timed out.  :-\

 

[menacer]

Ah yes, it wont work for anyone who uses the piece of crap that is norton anti virus.

erm...or trend micro internet security 2007.......

 

[clunk]

On a side not and slightly off topic, don't pay for internet security.
AVG free came 3rd out of all anti-virus software. Beaten by AVG-paid for and mcaffe, in a magazine test of over 100 anti virus programmes.
Back on topic,
I just pinged my hub and got  ping of 1. 

 

[darkplaces]

Mind you, I just pinged www.c**tplaces.co.uk and it just timed out.  :-\

Thats because I block ICMP which is a protocol used in the ping process.

 

[martinr]

Pinging 209.135.140.14 with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 209.135.140.14: bytes=32 time=153ms TTL=44
Reply from 209.135.140.14: bytes=32 time=149ms TTL=44
Reply from 209.135.140.14: bytes=32 time=148ms TTL=44
Reply from 209.135.140.14: bytes=32 time=147ms TTL=44

Ping statistics for 209.135.140.14:
    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 147ms, Maximum = 153ms, Average = 149ms

 

[Downer]

Mind you, I just pinged www.c**tplaces.co.uk and it just timed out.  :-\

Thats because I block ICMP which is a protocol used in the ping process.

It's also used in TCP so you'll screw anyone who uses a route that's a bit iffy, they'll have to rely on the client sensing a timeout and asking for a complete file again instead of TCP just asking for the lost packet.

I imagine the server's the problem. It probably sees who's connecting and thinks "Oh it's that Whitelackington again, I'll make him wait".

WL - BTInternet as it was then called used to use a system of caching, rather like the local store of web pages on your PC only somewhere on the connection you pay for. It's supposed to speed things up when you or anyone else keep asking for the same page, they, your ISP, just send you their own copy. It can go badly wrong. Try re-loading the page.

There's some combination of shift and alt when you press the refresh button that should bypass the cache. Instead of going to ukcaving.com, put "?rhubarb" at the end without quotes. The cache won't know what to do, so it will connect you directly to ukcaving.com which will ignore the extra junk. Worth a try anyway, at least you may get an idea of where the problem is.

 

[clunk]

WL - BTInternet as it was then called used to use a system of caching, rather like the local store of web pages on your PC only somewhere on the connection you pay for. It's supposed to speed things up when you or anyone else keep asking for the same page, they, your ISP, just send you their own copy. It can go badly wrong. Try re-loading the page

All ISP's do that.

 

[darkplaces]

Not all, two forms of cacheing or proxying are in regular use. application based proxy that the user has to manually configure, such ISP's like AOL (if you use the AOL browser. client) use proxy, ntl (virgin media) has its own proxy servers as most web pages are mostly static they can have a huge impact. The other type of proxy is transparent proxy, layer 2 caching, its transparent to the user. This issue isnt a proxy problem as today when looking at webpage I saw an avatar loading slowly as opposed to a pause and fast load. So the problem is the transfer rate of packets, and the page failing to load when the TCP session is being setup but misses a packet part way though.

Be interesting to find some public proxy servers all over the world and configure your browser to use them and to run some tests. Or find some websites that are hosted on or near the rosehosting server and compare the speed of load.

Bubba must have FTP access so maybe upload and download a couple of large files and time the process and manually work out how long they should take.

 

[andymorgan]

Seems swift to me: average of 17ms, the BBC site by comparison is 97ms!

 

[bubba]

Well it would for you, coz the server is in Missouri