Reflective crtt(gggrrrrrrr)

[cavemanmike]

I can’t express how f****n pissed off I am about someone ( probably some instagram user) placing reflective tape on the exit from the aluminium bridge to the exit. I know there’s been a few call outs of recent but this just spoils the whole atmosphere of the place. In my opinion you shouldn’t be in there if you don’t know what you’re doing, it’s probably the same kind of people who complain about the zip line being too fast because they don’t know how to control their speed . I was very tempted to remove it all. In fact on reflection (pun intended) I should have and probably will do next time I’m in there.
Yours sincerely
Mr pissed off

 

[Stones]

It wasn’t put in by Instagramers but they were put in to save on pointless call outs to save the instagoons. They aren't ideal but there hasn't been any call outs since they have been put in places

 

[cavemanmike]

 

[JoshW]

why can’t we just leave these totally natural places as god intended them

 

[Maisie Syntax]

 

[cavemanmike]

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why can’t we just leave these totally natural places as god intended them

totally agree. Next thing you know there’s going to be arrows sprayed in caves that people will try and justify by saying there’s been less call-outs

 

[mikem]

Okay, I'm off to remove the fun bits and put the rock back

 

[Ian Ball]

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totally agree. Next thing you know there’s going to be arrows sprayed in caves that people will try and justify by saying there’s been less call-outs

I am confused

 

[JoshW]

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totally agree. Next thing you know there’s going to be arrows sprayed in caves that people will try and justify by saying there’s been less call-outs

Next thing they’ll be adding zip lines and canoes to get around obstacles as well!!

 

[Stones]

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totally agree. Next thing you know there’s going to be arrows sprayed in caves that people will try and justify by saying there’s been less call-outs

They could just block the entrance up to Croesor to stop the continuous call outs, because that's the way it was going.
You're not going to stop people attempting CRTT especially when it has been labelled as Snakes and Ladders but underground on a similar fourm to this but for climbers. A few reflective pieces of tape is definitely better than spray painted arrows, as I said previously it's not ideal but it's better than nothing.

If you do have any idiot proof ideas to stop people getting lost in Rhosydd let us know? We could then go there, play on all the zips and abseils then put them in place and remove the reflective tape at the same time.

 

[cavemanmike]

This is what happens with glory hunters putting everything on the interweb . Many of us have been going in there for decades without incident or call-outs.

 

[pwhole]

Actual working mines have exit arrows spraypainted on the walls too, and the miners work there every day, so unlikely to get lost, but its still a reasonable precaution for almost zero effort given all the different ways something might go wrong. Admittedly being able to read a survey and speak coherently also helps.

With the benefit of foresight, etc....

 

[Cantclimbtom]

Was the above a promo photo for some cult/low budget early 90s electronic band or something?

I'm seeing the pic and torn between hearing in my head either (or both at same time) trance, or someone singing "I'm a little tea pot" (based on the figure on the right)

As mentioned above Rhosydd would be the place for arrows *if they were needed* but Croesor???? There's pretty limited scope to go the wrong way

 

[wormster]

Blow up the addits and enter down the smoke flue - that'll put the instashites off!!

 

[Alex]

Put a ladder in the quarry (it's outside so it's fine, lol), however, they will then prob get lost on the fell then, though. I did climb out of there once, forgot why (as I know the way) but it was doable as a free climb, but necky.

As it's a mine, personally I am not that fussed about a few minor things like that, as well it's entirely artificial anyway.

 

[A_Northerner]

Ahh, yet another post on UKcaving that reflects (pun intended) poorly on the caving community. And we wonder why people choose to grab an AliExpress torch and explore on their own instead of joining our welcoming community.

In 2019, SUSS did a week of big Spanish through-trips; Tonio-Canuela, Mortera-Rubicera, Cueto-Coventosa etc. All of these gorgeous natural caves have been provided (in recent years) with excellent pull-through rings, open access surveys and topos, no access restrictions (barring permits required for the select few with archaeological significance), and reflective tape throughout the trip. You can't pass a single reflective marker without being able to see the next, something greatly appreciated in the gargantuan Sala Guillaume for example.

I'm reasonably certain in saying this was in response to excess callouts to the huge systems. If these natural caves are helped by the inclusion of reflective markers, I don't see why the absolute scar on the natural landscape that is the Rhossydd surface workings can't have tape to help punters/adventurers find their way home safely.