alastairgott
Well-known member
I'm confused, you're contradicting yourself?
There is no luring in some cases, people find out about caves and want to go in them, what you need is people who know about the caves, who are willing to spend the time to guide the novices and show them where to be careful.
how do you do that? Either make them pay for a cave instructor (which some will just not do) or make them join a club (which again some will not do).
You pose many questions but give very few solutions.
Kenilworth said:it would be good for cavers who truly care about the careful use of caves to withdraw support from the NSS
Kenilworth said:The reason we shouldn't waste energy on trying to influence or reform NSS is that caver attitudes are not NSS' fault. Ours is an entire culture of carelessness, waste, ignorance, narcissism, and destruction.
There is no luring in some cases, people find out about caves and want to go in them, what you need is people who know about the caves, who are willing to spend the time to guide the novices and show them where to be careful.
how do you do that? Either make them pay for a cave instructor (which some will just not do) or make them join a club (which again some will not do).
You pose many questions but give very few solutions.
I do not think that that will change. So what we really need is to stop luring people into caves. This is all about a reduction of traffic and trying to find ways to ensure that many of those who do cave have demonstrated, through some form of personal commitment, that they are more likely to be careful.