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pwhole said:So we'll just have to wait until next year until they've hopefully rotted away, and I can try again.
Time for a spot of maggot-bombing, old chap....
pwhole said:So we'll just have to wait until next year until they've hopefully rotted away, and I can try again.
So maybe being American I am not helpful here, but I want to try to answer the question as it is something I have thought about as it is a debate here as well. The "Gold Standard" is NSS membership. I agree - I find national organization membership as a RC vs not RC status is ludicrous. I know of plenty of people with NSS membership who scoop other's projects, tresspass onto private property that landowners have asked us to stay off of, ignored the few rare survey tape lines marking paths.Cap'n Chris said:BCA will already have a database of all members: being a member does not mean that someone is responsible because any Tom, Dick or Harry can gain a green card simply by coughing up the moolah; however, if a BCA member had completed some kind of conservation induction then a tick could be put on the BCA register and landowners could check on their phones for the person's name.
bograt said:I agree with Badlad's last post, membership of a regional or national body does indicate a willingness and ability to access the guidelines for 'responsible' caving, whether the recipient is willing to abide by them is up to them.
Kenilworth said:bograt said:I agree with Badlad's last post, membership of a regional or national body does indicate a willingness and ability to access the guidelines for 'responsible' caving, whether the recipient is willing to abide by them is up to them.
What if the regional or national body doesn't provide guidelines for responsible caving?
bograt said:Kenilworth said:What if the regional or national body doesn't provide guidelines for responsible caving?
Then its up to its members to request (or formulate) them.
Smiley Alan said:bograt said:Kenilworth said:What if the regional or national body doesn't provide guidelines for responsible caving?
Then its up to its members to request (or formulate) them.
Id like to request them .
my guess is a qualifation would be a good proof .does BCA think that woud be a bench mark ?
Les W said:Smiley Alan said:bograt said:Kenilworth said:What if the regional or national body doesn't provide guidelines for responsible caving?
Then its up to its members to request (or formulate) them.
Id like to request them .
my guess is a qualifation would be a good proof .does BCA think that woud be a bench mark ?
I'm pretty sure BCA's membership won't think a qualification is a good idea...
Les W said:Smiley Alan said:bograt said:Kenilworth said:What if the regional or national body doesn't provide guidelines for responsible caving?
Then its up to its members to request (or formulate) them.
Id like to request them .
my guess is a qualifation would be a good proof .does BCA think that woud be a bench mark ?
I'm pretty sure BCA's membership won't think a qualification is a good idea...
Kenilworth said:Les W said:Smiley Alan said:bograt said:Kenilworth said:What if the regional or national body doesn't provide guidelines for responsible caving?
Then its up to its members to request (or formulate) them.
Id like to request them .
my guess is a qualifation would be a good proof .does BCA think that woud be a bench mark ?
I'm pretty sure BCA's membership won't think a qualification is a good idea...
My own guess is that BCA is not qualified to provide such guidelines.
At any rate, even if they could, they never will. For BCA, or NSS, to insist on a responsible membership would be to insist on quality over quantity. Responsible caving, in fact, requires that the number of cavers be reduced. And as the constant discussions about growing membership proves, the only way that these organizations measure success is quantitatively.
mikem said:I would argue that there has never been much respect for anything - the Brits are reknown for their "do what's best for me" attitude...
Mike
I've told you before. Education. Without it bad things happen, with it places are respected. Respect for places is the first thing people are taught in any club I have been in, havae contact with, hell, even non-club people teach this. Maybe it's different over there.
Anyway... You seem hell bent on killing caving for the majority, given this and previous posts. What's your issues with "normal" cavers?
Kenilworth said:As I've repeatedly said, everyone will always be allowed to go caving. But no one should be encouraged to. There should not exist clubs that make it easy for careless or ignorant people to hurt the things that they do not know or care about.
Kenilworth said:I can't tell if you're serious.
When I was first beginning to survey caves I wrote a letter to one of the most respected and well-know cavers in the US (I was at that time unaware of his status). I asked him, in my ignorance, what I could do to become a responsible caver and thus gain the trust of landowners. I wanted access badly, see. He said, "The way to be a responsible caver (whatever that is) is to use good sense and be good to people."
That's about as good a definition as you'll get, and there is no possible vetting process.