Ian Adams said:There is also a serious legal consideration to take account of.
In the case of an incident underground, with amateur clubs (assuming my knowledge of this is correct), a court of law may apportion ?blame? according to the experience/skill sets of those people on the trip.
I ?think? this means that a qualified leader could be held the most culpable, followed by those most experienced. Please correct this if that statement is inaccurate.
If there were to be an incident and the leader/most experienced person were aware that party members were ?under the influence?, I can only imagine a court would take a very dim view of that.
Also importantly, would it be grounds for an insurer to repudiate a claim?
Ian
royfellows said:This something i know little about and would not know one kind of drug from another. The only experience I have had in life was of a friend who took to smoking something who eventually went out of his mind and was committed under the Mental Health Act. When he returned to normal life he was along way from being a normal person.
Not good.
Flotsam said:Frank Brown (now sadly deceased) of the DCC was king smoker, an "addict" only in the sense that weed was as essential to his life as oxygen, water and food. He was a very keen caver and was on Ken Pearce's diving expeditition to the Berger in 1963 for example. He always smoked on his trips and even on major foreign expeditions. He picked up a tip from Casteret's book. He took tobacco tin drilled a hole in the end fitted a cork with a needle on the inside, he would then fill the tin with pre-rolled joints which he could extract with the needle without wetting them. When he had a back issue, in hospital in full traction, he managed to roll up and smake in a ward full of people by blowing the smoke into one of the bed tubes. A character.
royfellows said:This something i know little about and would not know one kind of drug from another. The only experience I have had in life was of a friend who took to smoking something who eventually went out of his mind and was committed under the Mental Health Act. When he returned to normal life he was along way from being a normal person.
Not good.
Mark Wright said:Flotsam said:Frank Brown (now sadly deceased) of the DCC was king smoker, an "addict" only in the sense that weed was as essential to his life as oxygen, water and food. He was a very keen caver and was on Ken Pearce's diving expeditition to the Berger in 1963 for example. He always smoked on his trips and even on major foreign expeditions. He picked up a tip from Casteret's book. He took tobacco tin drilled a hole in the end fitted a cork with a needle on the inside, he would then fill the tin with pre-rolled joints which he could extract with the needle without wetting them. When he had a back issue, in hospital in full traction, he managed to roll up and smake in a ward full of people by blowing the smoke into one of the bed tubes. A character.
And that?s how ?Joint Effort? at the top of Cliff Cavern in Speedwell got its name. The original climb to the top was done by Frank.
Those were the days. Frank was a top bloke and very sadly missed.
Mark
pwhole said:I had a fat one (outdoors) before installing a 12-bolt traverse across the wall of an underground chamber yesterday, and I wasn't especially hampered - apart from a mysterious attack of 'Mouldy Old Dough' by Lieutenant Pigeon entering my head halfway through - but then some things are simply beyond our understanding. My colleagues didn't seem to be concerned following me across either. Some people are just fine, regardless of the strength. Not many, I admit, and I suspect I may be some sort of prototype.
PeteHall said:royfellows said:This something i know little about and would not know one kind of drug from another. The only experience I have had in life was of a friend who took to smoking something who eventually went out of his mind and was committed under the Mental Health Act. When he returned to normal life he was along way from being a normal person.
Not good.
I have a friend who was a keen caver and climber, but suffered a major breakdown after taking up weed. He's now a schizophrenic shadow of his former self.
I also know alcoholics, unable to work/ live a normal life, so I guess the same applies to booze.
Some cough mixtures can be pretty heavy stuff - the only time I've ever had a complete memory blank of a night out was when I'd been swigging benilyn through the day for a cough, then had a few bottles of Newcastle brown that evening. I've still no idea what happened after the second bottle, other than waking up next to the remains of a Chinese takeaway which I assume I must have bought and eaten. Then there was the pholcodeine-based cough mixture that I had a load of on the train from Bradford to Sheffield to see my then-girlfriend; by the time I got there I was on a different planet, I subsequently found out that it's a synthetic opiate!Paul Marvin said:Mouldy Old Dough Ha Ha I know that one and you say you were alright Seriously Some people can get addicted to anything even things like paracetamol and have them like smarties another common one is Benylin Expectorant and even Victory " V,s " my wife meets them at the hospital where she works