David Rose
Active member
CT gear is well made, easy to use, and durable. I find the catches much better than current Petzl designs. I no longer use Petzl ascenders at all.
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Simon Wilson
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I think one of the problems is that people have become accustomed to paying little for gear.
When the Petzl Croll first came out it was priced at about ?12 which was more than an average day's pay at the time. Since then pay has increased by a factor of about 10 and a Croll by only about 3. A Croll now costs about a third of what it used to cost when it was made in France.
When the Petzl Croll first came out it was priced at about ?12 which was more than an average day's pay at the time. Since then pay has increased by a factor of about 10 and a Croll by only about 3. A Croll now costs about a third of what it used to cost when it was made in France.
As was stated some time back PETZL caters for industry mainly. Cavers climbers small time consumers. It could actually be health and safety legislation in the workplace that forces industrial users to demand lower prices ,as they have strict use by dates and must discard fully usable kit regularly . Hence European companies being forced to source overseas. Take Karrimor founded in the lancashire textile area. Okay their designs left a little a little to be desired ,but they did everest sponsorship their kit was as good as it got in their day. Now who owns Karrimor ? nothing to do with the UK I guess. Cheap sports direct merchandise .
It has been suggested that the Pantin has a fairly superfluos role and no big deal as regards safety .However you will notice on the body beneath the cam quite a large hole. Maybe for weight reduction but large enough to slip a crab to stop the cam coming fully opening . So making an emergency hand or chest ascender As with all kit multi functioning is the bye word.That old crab you JUST use on a tackle bag may one day save your life !
I was curious about this supposed advantage so i checked on the Petzl website: https://www.petzl.com/US/en/Professional/Rope-clamps/PANTINthomasr said:
I don't see a hole big enough for a carabiner in any of the pictures and i don't see how your suggestion would work.
Additionally the manufacturer's technical instructions states it is NOT PPE, has a max load of 150daN, and warns that using as a hand jammer is potentially lethal.
Mark Wright
Active member
marysboy said:
It is only the old style Pantin that had a hole for clipping a carabiner to stop the cam completely opening. When Petzl found that people were using them as an emergency chest or top ascender they changed the design as the device wouldn?t come close to passing either EN567 or EN12841B and could potentially be lethal, hence the warning on the technical notice on the website.
Mark
Mike Hopley
New member
How unhelpful of them. I'd assumed the hole just disappeared because the device got too small.
You can still use the new Pantin as an emergency hand jammer; clip your long cowstail/safety cord into the foot strap. It's considerably less safe, but safer than nothing.
Mike Hopley
New member
Ian Ball said:
Yes. Or perhaps more usefully, a micro-traxion -- which is nice for derigging longer pitches, works well as an emergency hand-jammer, and enables/improves several rescue methods.
andrewmcleod
Well-known member
You can safely use a pantin as an ascender. Use a rated chest ascender, use your pantin as a foot ascender, and either use a clove hitch or your descender as a backup. Or any of many other backups. Don't let the fall factor build up on static rope...
I believe serious alpinists of days ago would ensure even their bootlaces were of a cord usable in an emergency. Edible candles out of tallow, rather than mineral based used in the arctic, again in the past. But the point being You cant always carry around all you would wish to But learning how to adapt equipment :halo:
