Tackle bags
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PeteHall
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^ What he said, but to expand on "good handle position" I would reckon top, bottom and one side is perfect.
Also:
- Good solid point of attachment for donkey's dick
- Dain holes in bottom
- Inside pocket for snickers bar, compass, camera etc.
- Gear loops inside
Have I just described a Warmbac bag???
If your friend can do what Warmbac do, but either tougher, or cheaper he'll be doing ok I think
Also:
- Good solid point of attachment for donkey's dick
- Dain holes in bottom
- Inside pocket for snickers bar, compass, camera etc.
- Gear loops inside
Have I just described a Warmbac bag???
If your friend can do what Warmbac do, but either tougher, or cheaper he'll be doing ok I think
The base
It's nearly always the base that goes first. Helps if people don't drag them all the time !
Needs to be a tough base that lasts a good few years, and at reasonable price.
not sure what the solution is for the base;
Thicker material than sides
Double material
Raised profile that takes the brunt of the abrasion
Nothing else fancy required, just 1 side handle and adjustable strong shoulder straps that don't fail at the bag
attachment points.
2 loops at top for attachment when abseiling
It's nearly always the base that goes first. Helps if people don't drag them all the time !
Needs to be a tough base that lasts a good few years, and at reasonable price.
not sure what the solution is for the base;
Thicker material than sides
Double material
Raised profile that takes the brunt of the abrasion
Nothing else fancy required, just 1 side handle and adjustable strong shoulder straps that don't fail at the bag
attachment points.
2 loops at top for attachment when abseiling
Maj
Active member
PeteHall said:
A Daren Cilau tackle bag.
http://inglesport.com/products/warmbac-daren-cilau-tackle-bag
Maj.
cap n chris
Well-known member
If you can find someone prepared to make non-cost-effective, non-economically viable, bags then (a) brilliant and (b) get them to make a bag that is so sturdy it will take decades of caving before it wears out. Few companies would make a bag with this characteristic because if they did they'd go bust.
Pitlamp
Well-known member
Very important - metal D rings for clipping on for hauling - not tape loops (which are an unnecessarily fiddly hassle in certain situations).
Just like the Lizard bags; sorry to mention a name here but their design was extremely good and, as they're no longer made (sadly), I can't be accused of plugging a company.
Just like the Lizard bags; sorry to mention a name here but their design was extremely good and, as they're no longer made (sadly), I can't be accused of plugging a company.
Reinforced base
Side
handle you can grab with a thick glove
Drain holes are a must
spring toggle closing annoy me
shoulder straps which are too long annoy me aa you kneel on them as you crawl.
I like the oval base shape of the meander bags
I like a hauling ring that can found without looking.
Side
handle you can grab with a thick glove
Drain holes are a must
spring toggle closing annoy me
shoulder straps which are too long annoy me aa you kneel on them as you crawl.
I like the oval base shape of the meander bags
I like a hauling ring that can found without looking.
Chocolate fireguard
Active member
Sorry this is a bit late.
There must be quite a lot of us 60-something cavers around who gratefully took up SRT 30 years ago when ladder climbing was becoming too much like hard work, and are now at the stage when they still want to do the SRT classics but not much else.
They no longer go to places where you need to lift a full tackle bag at arms length to get it through some gnarly traverse/squeeze so they don't need 3 or 4 handles. Or perhaps any at all.
There are stacks of SRT trips in Derbyshire & Yorkshire where bag-handling in the cave just involves carrying it on your back, dangling it below you or dragging it behind you for short distances.
Being cavers they will still expect the bag to last forever so you can't skimp on material quality, but a couple of shoulder straps, a pair of loops for dangling, a draw string closer that just gets tied and a drain hole would do it for me. I would want it to hold 80 to 100m of 8 or 9mm. Or that nice Gleistein that's still so packable after a lot of use.
No handles, inside pockets, interior gear loops, flaps, fancy toggles, hauling rings.
Missing all those things out might make it possible to sell a bag far enough below the normal price to persuade us sad old gits (sorry OG) to fork out from our hard-earned pensions.
There must be quite a lot of us 60-something cavers around who gratefully took up SRT 30 years ago when ladder climbing was becoming too much like hard work, and are now at the stage when they still want to do the SRT classics but not much else.
They no longer go to places where you need to lift a full tackle bag at arms length to get it through some gnarly traverse/squeeze so they don't need 3 or 4 handles. Or perhaps any at all.
There are stacks of SRT trips in Derbyshire & Yorkshire where bag-handling in the cave just involves carrying it on your back, dangling it below you or dragging it behind you for short distances.
Being cavers they will still expect the bag to last forever so you can't skimp on material quality, but a couple of shoulder straps, a pair of loops for dangling, a draw string closer that just gets tied and a drain hole would do it for me. I would want it to hold 80 to 100m of 8 or 9mm. Or that nice Gleistein that's still so packable after a lot of use.
No handles, inside pockets, interior gear loops, flaps, fancy toggles, hauling rings.
Missing all those things out might make it possible to sell a bag far enough below the normal price to persuade us sad old gits (sorry OG) to fork out from our hard-earned pensions.
Much of my SRT is close to what chocolate fireguard describes but I value one sturdy mid-point handle above all other features - there are so many situations where one has to take a sack off one's shoulders for a while and without a mid point handle, it's a real pain to carry.
My vote is for:
plain 1.5 or maybe 2 inch webbing shoulder straps without padding, and without excessively long tails (though they are easily cut-down by the purchaser);
reinforced bottom with drain holes;
no need for internal pockets;
one internal gear loop will suffice;
happy enough with haulage loops on top rather than D rings;
need a haulage loop and drain holes on the base;
one tough side handle at mid point - that is reinforced inside so that the stitching won't gradually rip through - this is the weak point of most bags I've bought.
Simple enough to keep the manufacturing cost down?
My vote is for:
plain 1.5 or maybe 2 inch webbing shoulder straps without padding, and without excessively long tails (though they are easily cut-down by the purchaser);
reinforced bottom with drain holes;
no need for internal pockets;
one internal gear loop will suffice;
happy enough with haulage loops on top rather than D rings;
need a haulage loop and drain holes on the base;
one tough side handle at mid point - that is reinforced inside so that the stitching won't gradually rip through - this is the weak point of most bags I've bought.
Simple enough to keep the manufacturing cost down?
Disgusted from Cornwall.
New member
I want them to be "standard" like the bernies, caving supplies, etc, etc, and I want them to be cheap cheap cheap.
Landjoff are amazing.
Landjoff are amazing.
If you want cheep cheep cheep try a budgie, .
In a more polite reply tho',cost is most important; for the maker and the buyer,
free lunch? try foraging, the time will out weigh the benifit financially, the planet will love ya!
Back on Topic, No squirrel shit jokes eh? (whats got a hazelnut in every bite ?)
I Digress;
more input may make a far better understanding of needs
O.G.
.In a more polite reply tho',cost is most important; for the maker and the buyer,
free lunch? try foraging, the time will out weigh the benifit financially, the planet will love ya!
Back on Topic, No squirrel shit jokes eh? (whats got a hazelnut in every bite ?)
I Digress;
more input may make a far better understanding of needs
O.G.