The BCA ballot is out
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Ian P said:Badlad said:
This ?may? have been true in the past. However the current CPC is in my opinion a very different club now.
We are an incredible active club with a broad range of members both old and new.
Hopefully any previous negative thoughts about the CPC will soon be replaced.
We are very much a progressive, friendly more modern thinking club.
We even have Wi Fi and a substantial stock of 9mm rope (regularly used)
I'd like to second this: I am a member of four caving clubs and whilst they have all been very welcoming and supportive I tend to do most of my caving with the Craven. Part of the reason is the diversity of caving trips [often into lesser known but still worthwhile caves] and partly because they are such a good bunch of folk to cave with. I have also heard of the historic negative references to the Craven. They just aren't true anymore, if they ever were.
We don?t dig for adoration,
We don?t dig for charity,
We just dig for masochism,
And for speleology.
Speleology, Speleology, balls to Craven Pothole Club??????. Pothole Club.
Balls to craven Pot Hole Club.
The Craven Pothole Club are a rotten set of bastards,
We don't want to cave with them,
We don't want to cave with them,
BALLS TO CRAVEN POTHOLE CLUB
We don?t dig for charity,
We just dig for masochism,
And for speleology.
Speleology, Speleology, balls to Craven Pothole Club??????. Pothole Club.
Balls to craven Pot Hole Club.
The Craven Pothole Club are a rotten set of bastards,
We don't want to cave with them,
We don't want to cave with them,
BALLS TO CRAVEN POTHOLE CLUB
alastairgott
Well-known member
You've got some Skeletons in the pothole there 
Benfool said:
Robert Scott
Active member
Ben is merely quoting from one of those old, old, very old caving club songs. And I know he doesn't mean it. As clubs, as diggers and explorers, the Bradford & the Craven get along quite well. After all who delivered the boards to the CPC Cloddike dig, who delivered the BPC boards/scaffolding to the Pay Sank dig and who helped heave a boulder out of the BPC Mouton Noir dig?alastairgott said:You've got some Skeletons in the pothole there
Benfool said:
As for Tim's comment that the CPC are viewed as "conservative" (aka "don't like change") which club has embraced the modern world enough to provide not one but two water level webcams?
Although I support the changes being made in the BCA, perhaps the BCA should look at the Rules and Primary Byelaws of either the CPC or the BPC as a way ahead, the current constitution and the so-called "Manual of Operations" seem to me to be difficult, arbitary and mysterious.
alastairgott
Well-known member
Anyone got a photo for Robert Scott. I did try and find one but the closets of the Internet were bare.
nearlywhite
Active member
Robert Scott said:
The main reason these things are mysterious are because many of the 'rules' are just conventions, they seem arbitrary because they made sense with a different secretary in a different political climate and they seem difficult because 'due process' in BCA's history was designed for it to achieve very little to retain the regions primacy.
It doesn't need more by-laws and paper, just simpler ones. I think the reason the BPC and CPC committees work well is the longevity of members in roles, the modest turnover and smaller size.
alastairgott
Well-known member
Persons unknown helped a skeleton into the craven?s winching chair in 2018. So when they reopened the winch the next morning they were greeted by a skeleton in the pothole.
Personally, I think it was the ghosts of whernside manor...
Personally, I think it was the ghosts of whernside manor...
Robert Scott
Active member
The Rules of the Clubs cover about 8 A4 pages and they definenearlywhite said:
1. The club?s aims & objectives
2. The committee and its powers
3. How it deals with the club?s assets
4. Who are the members and associates and their subscriptions
5. Removal of members.
6. General meetings
7. Auditing of accounts
8. Location of its registered office
The Primary Byelaws of the club cover 4 A4 pages
1. Who are the committee
2. Membership application
3. Meets
4. The obligations of the voluntary meet coordinators
5. Club tackle & its use
6. Club Cottage with reference to the club?s local byelaws.
7. Club Library with reference to the club?s local byelaws.
8. Club publications
9. Information Technology
10. Child Protection Policy
11. How Byelaws may be changed.
Presidence might help in arriving at decisions but the Rules and Primary Byelaws are paramount.
BCA Secretary
Active member
Kay is correct; our Returning Officer should be the first point of contact.
It seems most people I have spoken to over the course of this week have received their ballot either by email or post. As mentioned in the above discussions, a small number of our email ballots bounced back (despite receiving the previous test/notification email OK) but all of these have since been dispatched a postal vote instead which most people seem to have received.
Of the inquiries that we have received so far about missing ballots, most have been either people not checking their junk/spam folders or deleted items folder (depending on where your email service moves emails it deems to be junk) OR due to people (or their club) having provided the BCA with an email address that they no longer routinely use or a postal address that is no longer correct.
If you have not received your ballot then email our Returning Officer with your full name and we can advise how your ballot was sent to you (i.e. to what email or postal address). If this does not help you locate your ballot then we can reissue your ballot by email to whatever email address you contact us from (with the same single-use ballot ID as you would originally have been sent).
Returning-officer@british-caving.org.uk
Matt Ewles
It seems most people I have spoken to over the course of this week have received their ballot either by email or post. As mentioned in the above discussions, a small number of our email ballots bounced back (despite receiving the previous test/notification email OK) but all of these have since been dispatched a postal vote instead which most people seem to have received.
Of the inquiries that we have received so far about missing ballots, most have been either people not checking their junk/spam folders or deleted items folder (depending on where your email service moves emails it deems to be junk) OR due to people (or their club) having provided the BCA with an email address that they no longer routinely use or a postal address that is no longer correct.
If you have not received your ballot then email our Returning Officer with your full name and we can advise how your ballot was sent to you (i.e. to what email or postal address). If this does not help you locate your ballot then we can reissue your ballot by email to whatever email address you contact us from (with the same single-use ballot ID as you would originally have been sent).
Returning-officer@british-caving.org.uk
Matt Ewles
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