The Cave

[Sewer Rat]

Curiosity got the better of me, so I had to see it.
its mainly based around cave divers, so that was me stumped for authenticy
Im sure all uk cave divers have sonic guns that map the whole chamber, in 3D if you please with the squeese of a trigger.

Altogether a bit ott
cant wait to see the blind flesh eating monsters that used to be cavers
the next time in the OFD streamway

For goodnesss sake is there anybody out there who can make a film depectinig caves as they are.
I am sure a real epic trip would give any director enough material to make a series.
how about a honest to goodness rescue.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[cap n chris]

There are plenty of "real" caving films but they're mostly pretty old now although Sid Perou has had some of his original films digitally remastered apparently - Gavin Newman's done some excellent stuff and Andy Sparrow's dramatisations are well filmed. Keep your eyes out for Gavin's Lechuguilla stuff on telly later this year....

As for The Cave, the online film reviews give it such a drubbing (3.7 out of 10) that it's going to be a straight to DVD and watch it on a wet night jobbie for me; after watching The Descent I don't think I can stomach paying £4.50 to sit through another sack of sh*te.

 

[bubba]

The Descent is better apparantly....but still shit according to previous discussions on here!

 

[RM]

How about a Touching the Void style story about a hard caver who finds brand new cave in peak cavern, falls down a pitch and breaks his leg, then his m8 free climbs half the last pitch, cuts the rope, ties it to his central mailon, and gets the bloke with the broken leg to prusik out , then along white river, down the ventilator, along the trenches, and finaly through peak cavern to safety, all with a broken leg?

 

[Cave_Troll]

you want it, you make it

I'm sure you can persuade some of the coffin dodgers to help you

 

[cap n chris]

How about a bunch of stupid idiots go ill-equipped (jeans, T-shirts, hand-held torches and candles) to visit Goatchurch Cavern whereupon they have plenty of near-misses until the group splits up and everyone gets lost. There are some rockfalls and roof collapses and then, surprise surprise, the cave begins to flood; up to their necks in water their candles go out and they depend on "natural" cave lighting to rediscover each other while the water gets higher and higher. One of them "thinks they know the way on" and instantly gets washed over a waterfall to his death; another dies of lack of moral fibre (hypothermia) while yet another just screams a lot. The waters get higher still and they all have to make a heroic free dive along a 50' long sump (which of course is "naturally" lit) whereupon they miraculously find they can stand up in a big passage (everyone becomes instantly dry, although no-one makes any observation of this astonishing fact); walking ahead they find their way by continuing to rely on "natural" cave lighting and then find the skeletons of another group alongside a treasure chest; they break this open and discover riches beyond their wildest dreams but suddenly they hear more rockfall noises and notice that the sump is lowering; the ceiling begins to collapse so they have to make a hard decision - stay and keep the treasure or run back and swim through the sump... as the water is lowering they find they don't need to hold their breath but they need to make hasty progress as the rocks continue to fall behind them; they splash their way down a side turning which they missed while they were sump diving and this brings them to daylight whereupon the entire cave entrance collapses and they all live happily ever after but without the treasure.

This could easily be made into a film since it's exactly what happens every time I go to Goatchurch Cavern - at least in the minds of the people who turn up `cos they KNOW caves collapse and flood all the time `cos they've seen it on telly!

 

[cucc Paul]

I wish i got treasure for every cave i went into... lol. The thingy with the sonic gun mapping thing... Its now possible, it can easily be done with lasers and sonic waves, however, the amount of kit you would need to interprit the results and produce a "map" or model would be astronomical, also requiring a lot of computing power, a cluster super computer might just pull it off, and unless a caving club can get some form of military contract and has 100's of 1000's of pounds spear we wont be seeing one any time soon. :wink: make surveying easier once it enters the public domain at a reasonable price though

 

[cap n chris]

unless a caving club can get some form of military contract and has 100's of 1000's of pounds spear we wont be seeing one any time soon

Woo-hoo! We're in! We've got military members AND squillions of quid so where can we buy ten of these gizmos?

 

[Sewer Rat]

RM i love that idea.
Touching the void was very weird because blockbusters had hundereds of copies and i thought that it would be your normal hollywood hyped jazz.

Come on there must be some media studies student who caves.
There are loads of students on here, you must know sombody who would be up for it

 

[SamT]

How about a Touching the Void style story about a hard caver who finds brand new cave in peak cavern, falls down a pitch and breaks his leg, then his m8 free climbs half the last pitch, cuts the rope, ties it to his central mailon, and gets the bloke with the broken leg to prusik out , then along white river, down the ventilator, along the trenches, and finaly through peak cavern to safety, all with a broken leg?

Sounds familier - hasn't this been done before. Only they forgot to film it.

 

[Ken Passant]

CALM DOWN ITS ONLY A MOVIE!

 

[graham]

How about a bunch of stupid idiots go ill-equipped (jeans, T-shirts, hand-held torches and candles) to visit Goatchurch Cavern whereupon they have plenty of near-misses until the group splits up and everyone gets lost. There are some rockfalls and roof collapses and then, surprise surprise, the cave begins to flood; up to their necks in water their candles go out and they depend on "natural" cave lighting to rediscover each other while the water gets higher and higher. One of them "thinks they know the way on" and instantly gets washed over a waterfall to his death; another dies of lack of moral fibre (hypothermia) while yet another just screams a lot. The waters get higher still and they all have to make a heroic free dive along a 50' long sump (which of course is "naturally" lit) whereupon they miraculously find they can stand up in a big passage (everyone becomes instantly dry, although no-one makes any observation of this astonishing fact); walking ahead they find their way by continuing to rely on "natural" cave lighting and then find the skeletons of another group alongside a treasure chest; they break this open and discover riches beyond their wildest dreams but suddenly they hear more rockfall noises and notice that the sump is lowering; the ceiling begins to collapse so they have to make a hard decision - stay and keep the treasure or run back and swim through the sump... as the water is lowering they find they don't need to hold their breath but they need to make hasty progress as the rocks continue to fall behind them; they splash their way down a side turning which they missed while they were sump diving and this brings them to daylight whereupon the entire cave entrance collapses and they all live happily ever after but without the treasure.

This could easily be made into a film since it's exactly what happens every time I go to Goatchurch Cavern - at least in the minds of the people who turn up `cos they KNOW caves collapse and flood all the time `cos they've seen it on telly!

You bin reading our club log book? :shock:

 

[cap n chris]

You bin reading our club log book?

No. But (intrigued), don't hold back... do tell.....
:shock:

 

[graham]

You bin reading our club log book?

No. But (intrigued), don't hold back... do tell.....
:shock:

You'll have to wait until the book comes out.

 

[Mark]

How about a Touching the Void style story about a hard caver who finds brand new cave in peak cavern, falls down a pitch and breaks his leg, then his m8 free climbs half the last pitch, cuts the rope, ties it to his central mailon, and gets the bloke with the broken leg to prusik out , then along white river, down the ventilator, along the trenches, and finaly through peak cavern to safety, all with a broken leg?

Sounds a bit far fetched to me

 

[RockDoctor]

RM wrote:
How about a Touching the Void style story about a hard caver who finds brand new cave in peak cavern, falls down a pitch and breaks his leg, then his m8 free climbs half the last pitch, cuts the rope, ties it to his central mailon, and gets the bloke with the broken leg to prusik out , then along white river, down the ventilator, along the trenches, and finaly through peak cavern to safety, all with a broken leg? Very Happy


Sounds a bit far fetched to me

Hmmm, well thinking back to some war stories I've heard you could lace together Goon having to ladder out from somewhere in Lancaster Hole with a broken ankle and Wossname's having a fall in Boreham and having to dive out through IIRC 5 sumps with his gags falling out because he'd bust all his teeth. Oh, and he broke his arm, which I'm sure would have made the crawls between sumps real fun.
But Hollywood wouldn't buy it - not realistic enough. Have to get a scriptwriter in so that they can have the "any resemblence is coincidental" disclaimer.
Touching the Void was gob-smacking. Scary, but gob-smacking.

 

[Joel Corrigan]

Er, a group of us Cardiff-based cavers went to see "the Cave" and, er, well, some of us actually enjoyed it! Well, I did anyway. Yes, the monsters were far-fetched; yes, the hot chick wears a bandana instead of a helmet; some of the exploration dives are a bit over the top, etc, etc... However, for me the most unrealistic part of the film wasn't the gadgets, the cute lady (few of those around), the beasties, or the flame throwers. No, by far the most unrealistic part was the black dude! Not being a bigot but in twenty years of caving I've only ever seen a couple of non-whites caving in the UK. Always found this to be a bit bizarre.
Anyway, always good to spice up sites like this with scandalous comments. Can't wait for the muslim fundamentalists or the do-gooders to track me down now.

 

[cap n chris]

Joel, perhaps you live off the beaten track somewhere (shouldn't be too difficult to track you down, with your real name posted!) where hordes of multi-ethnic types can't be arsed to go; however, in Somerset (yes, Somerset) we manage to meet and greet cavers of much diversity (apart from women).

However, in all my years of caving I don't think I've ever met a caver who doesn't have a beard. IIRC you don't have a beard, do you?

 

[andymorgan]

I don't have a beard and you have met me. Are you saying the women in our club have beards as well?! They seem lovely to me...

 

[Katie]

Maybe all the women have secret beards that they keep in jars in the bottom of their wardrobes and only wear on very special occasions....
Of course there are no canned facial accessories in my wardrobe but just because some cavers are not seen with beards might not mean they dont have them.

Oh dear i think lack of proper beer is affecting my already worrying sanity levels.