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The Lady of the Wolf Den

Lankyman

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This episode of the 1998 series 'Meet the Ancestors' is repeated on BBC 4 tonight at 8pm. If you haven't seen it, it's about human remains found by divers in a cave above the River Rawthey north of Sedbergh in the Dales. They manage to reconstruct the face from the skull remnants.
 
Really wonderful, thank you for sharing. I remember the programme but not this episode.
I'd forgotten how long it was since the first broadcast (1998). I was still an active caver back then and had done some prospecting around the Rawthey and Wild Boar Fell so it was very interesting to work out exactly where the shakehole was. What I still don't understand is how the Britons (or the wolves!) got into the chamber where the bones were seeing as how the archaeologists went in down a thirty foot shaft.
Was there a follow up programme? I seem to recall that the age of the Lady's bones were reappraised as being Romano-British rather than Iron Age. Perhaps I read that in the book that came out later.
 
Were the remains dated?
I think they were originally thought to be Iron (or Bronze) Age? My mind is increasingly sieve-like but I think this may have been recalibrated later on to the Romano-British period. In the original programme Julian Richards visits the small settlement in the valley below Cautley Spout which seems as likely a place as any for the home of the people buried in the cave. I don't know what period that settlement has been dated to but it makes a great filming location. There's also a burial cairn just up from the settlement, towards the Spout which I would imagine is contemporaneous. Burial and religious practices must have changed a lot over the millennia.
I also think the wolf remains were quite a lot younger than the human ones (but I might be mistaken).
 
Can be found here, at certain times the diving entrance wouldn't have been flooded (Google rawthey cave burials for references with dates): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b008522p/meet-the-ancestors
Thanks. I've just scanned through some of the Google results and they make interesting reading. Some of the information seems to be contradictory unless I'm getting confused (not unknown). The earliest female (Lady, main subject of the documentary) seems to be mid-Bronze Age ca 3167 BP while the roe deer (had to look up what a ' capreolous' was!) were early mediaeval (605, 815 AD). The children's footprints were deduced to be no later than ca 1300 AD from the evidence. I'm still not sure if the wolves were there before or after the burials since there is a statement that they pre-date the human activity and another one that suggests the animal remains (the deer?) are typical of wolf denning activity. The most stunning (to me) dating listed was a female human skull fragment which was 1865 +/- 40. That's conceivably into the 20th C and potentially someone who could have been known to someone alive today!
 
Can be found here, at certain times the diving entrance wouldn't have been flooded (Google rawthey cave burials for references with dates): https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b008522p/meet-the-ancestors
That's an interesting point mikem. I've not referred to the original dive logs (always the definitive information source on underwater caves) but could you tell us why you suggest the entrance wouldn't always have been flooded? I don't recall that being said at the time. Reason I ask is I've always been interested in speleothems in underwater caves and have developed an exhausive list of these on the CDG forum. If the Rawthey Cave sumps have been air filled at some previous stage they might contain stals, so the site needs to be added to the list.

I've never dived there myself. I know the two folk who made the original discovery, so I'll ask next time paths cross.

This is a great example of how cavers can benefit the archaeological community, by recognising artefacts in places too remote for most to reach. Of note is the fact that the two divers concerned were extremely careful to cause the absolute minimum disturbance as soon as they realised what they'd found. (One of them is very clued up in archaeology!)
 
Thanks. I've just scanned through some of the Google results and they make interesting reading. Some of the information seems to be contradictory unless I'm getting confused (not unknown). The earliest female (Lady, main subject of the documentary) seems to be mid-Bronze Age ca 3167 BP while the roe deer (had to look up what a ' capreolous' was!) were early mediaeval (605, 815 AD). The children's footprints were deduced to be no later than ca 1300 AD from the evidence. I'm still not sure if the wolves were there before or after the burials since there is a statement that they pre-date the human activity and another one that suggests the animal remains (the deer?) are typical of wolf denning activity. The most stunning (to me) dating listed was a female human skull fragment which was 1865 +/- 40. That's conceivably into the 20th C and potentially someone who could have been known to someone alive today!
I think the radiocarbon numbers are 'years before 1950', so

Female skull recovered from the loose slope = 1865 BP = 85 AD
Deer remains on mud floor = 815 to 605 BP = 1135 to 1345 AD
Children's footprints are in the mud floor, so presumed to be before the dead deer
 
Well, yes, it depends how "modern" that passage is - if it's older than the remains then it would have dried up during the ice ages.
 
I think the radiocarbon numbers are 'years before 1950', so

Female skull recovered from the loose slope = 1865 BP = 85 AD
Deer remains on mud floor = 815 to 605 BP = 1135 to 1345 AD
Children's footprints are in the mud floor, so presumed to be before the dead deer
I'm obviously missing something here? When I followed the UBSS links to the Oxford Radiocarbon Accelerator Unit article the three listed figures (two roe deer and a female skull fragment) don't use 'BP' but does for the other female skull found to be mid Bronze Age. Would BP actually mean before 1996 (when the testing was done)? Whichever year, BP would make much more sense since I did think it was a bit odd that a Victorian lady would have been put in there ( but you never know!).
 
Having now watched the programme they do show a sketch survey having the flooded passage well below the chamber, but another extension being horizontally quite close to the surface
 
It says their dates are years before 1950 in the introduction. Other sites have dates in the 8000s, 9000s, so must be BP not AD

I think perhaps they put BP when they quote other peoples results to avoid doubt



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Ah, right. That's something I probably heard before but forgot. Is it just for convenience since there was radioactive pollution in the five years prior to 1950?
 
Ah, right. That's something I probably heard before but forgot. Is it just for convenience since there was radioactive pollution in the five years prior to 1950?
Significant atmospheric nuclear testing only began post 1950 (after the USSR got the bomb in Aug 1949)
Before 1950 neither the USA or USSR had atomic weapons to spare, and so testing was relatively infrequent (7 tests and 2 used in anger) . However, by the 1950s the United States had established a dedicated test site on its own territory and was also using a site in the Pacific for extensive atomic and nuclear testing.

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