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The Scurion 'K'

littletitan

New member
Has anyone on here got/tried the new Scurion 'k' http://www.scurion.ch/ms/index.php?Scurion-k

Mine is on it's way, but was wondering how good these things are and what type of light they throw out?
i.e beam, spot, super-wide angle, blue, green white? Good for photography, using as light source itself?

Anyone tried them for this?
:-\

 

paul

Moderator
Bloody hell - I don't know which causes more eye damage: the 1200 lumens output or looking at the ?635 price tag!!

:eek:

 

potholer

Active member
Given the flood MC-E is 'naked', it should give a pretty smooth flood.

I'd imagine that they'd try to keep the spot beam roughly similar in spread to the one on the regular models, but I'm not sure what all the choices are for MC-E optics.
Given the effective size of the LED, it'd be hard to get a mega-tight spot, but doing that would be fairly pointless anyway, with a light so bright.

Colour varies with individual devices, but it seems likely that they'd try to go for a not-obviously-tinted white, though obviously, it depends what someone is using as a basis of comparison.
 

Roger W

Well-known member
1200 lumens?  To quote their website,

"How much is 1200 lm really? It is roughly the same than the output of a standard (55W H4) car headlamp. "

And you know what that does to you when someone driving towards you can't be bothered to dip his headights!  Heaven help your mate when you turn round to say something to him!

"Tell me Sid, why do you wear dark glasses to go caving?"
 

littletitan

New member
Cave_Troll said:
did i hear rumours of scurion doing a dive rated lamp?

Not sure Cave_Troll, although it does ring a bell. I remember chatting to Rolf (guy that makes them) in the Vercors last year and seem to think he suggested this as a possible idea for a prototype!

Thanks guys for your feedback on this. I guess i'll just have to wait and see and play around with it underground, testing its capabilities in the dark.

Roger W said:
"How much is 1200 lm really? It is roughly the same than the output of a standard (55W H4) car headlamp. "

And you know what that does to you when someone driving towards you can't be bothered to dip his headights!  Heaven help your mate when you turn round to say something to him!

...lets hope people respect the eyes of their caving buddies and turn to face them on dimmer settings.  :blink:
 
M

McBad

Guest
I think it's 635 Euros, not 635 GBP...

...but still a lot too expensive for my wallet, especially as it is not dive-proof.

M.
 

SamT

Moderator
Oh, forgive me, its only a measly 539 quid at current exchange rate. A bargain no less.
However it does say 635 euros EXCL VAT.
Not sure how you go about paying VAT on items bought abroad over tinterweb. But that would put the price back over 600 quid.

Clearly Robbie is either a sponsored hero and getting his for free, or the credit crunch hasn't hit litton yet.  :LOL:
 

caverholic

New member
SamT said:
Clearly Robbie is either a sponsored hero and getting his for free, or the credit crunch hasn't hit litton yet.  :LOL:
The answer to that is fairly clear, not that I'm at all jealous. Maybe I'll get one of these as a freebee next time  ;)
 

rdrs

New member
Indeed, indeed, the topic!

I got forwarded to your very lively board by some friends that usually loiter around one of our German-language forums.

I, too, am under the spell of that irresistibly expensive light. Well, I wish there would be a single model to choose from; but with three, and some steep price stepping in between, the job gets a bit involved.

I saw the P4 in action about a month ago; we even got to do a comparison with a Chinese P4 flashlight. P7 promises more light, which is quite cool, since my myopic eyes do need a bit more input that a normal person's. And finally there's the K version, promising outrageous light levels - at a corresponding outrageous price.

Sure, with evolution and all, the K seems quite the thing; after all, state-of-art costs. Is P7 a sensible choice, or is it just a middle step in the evolution - better choose between K and P4?

I'm really keen on your thoughts on this - after all, this board does appear to have an unusual Scurion density..
 

Pete K

Well-known member
I've not seen a 'K' yet so I can't comment on real world usability but I recon with that much power it is a fairly specialist bit of kit, probably for the photo/film guys.
I picked the P4 at x-mas and I'm very happy. If you're looking at the Scurions on a scale of light output from P4 to P7 to 'K' then just bare in mind that the lowest output (P4) still kicks the crap out of just about anything on the market. So yes, the 'K' will deliver bat-frying brightness but the standard P4 is still a serious piece of kit. At the end of the day it's your money, you get what you pay for. With the current prices you are paying and extra ?60 for the P7 over the P4, a increase in price that really only boils down to 1 different led!

Whatever choice, there will always be a better model out next year!

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Does look quite cool though
 

littletitan

New member
Having now spent a bit of time playing around with the new 'K' at home and abroad in The Picos with the Oxford lot, I can now say a bit about the light.

In England the light is great, obviously MORE than adequate. Personnaly, I choose to run the light on a very dim setting (1 on spot and 2 on wide) when actually moving through a cave. When in a group sitting, waiting, resting whatever, just run 1 on spot so not to blind people.  8)
The new recessed switch on the headset is a great change. I have never caught it by accident in a tight crawl and altered the settings un-intentionally. Somthing that was beginning to drive me mad with the P7.  :mad:
New thicker 'O' rings at the back on the battery case help prevent any water getting into this compartment. I had previously not heard of an incident of this ever happening, but after chatting to Rolf on Saturaday at the HE conference, he told me that all new battery cases come with a bigger 'O' ring - Fine, not going to complain!

Abroad in The Picos caving with the Oxford University in Julagua the light came into its own.
Most of us reading this will undoubtably agree that the light output of the 'K' is absolutely waisted in pretty much all caves in the UK (excluding Titan or Gaping Gill where on max power the light illuminates ALL walls). However, take it overseas and into the larger caves of the world and this is where light matters. As getting a bunch of decent photographs was my main priority, I needed to use the 'K' for foreground illumination with several scenes.
Believe it or not, but the back-light used on the opening double-page shot of the Mail on Sunday's 'Live' Magazine (second image down, Rosa Clements on the left) was provided by my 'K' www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1207655/Deep-Impact-Dicing-death-3-700ft-ground.html[/url]
I would have struggled with anything else as it would not have been powerful enough.
Colour of the LED's is fine - No complaints there. If you want daylight then look no further. These are by no means green like a Duo or too blue like the earlier Scurion models. Besides if you know what you're doing, correcting any imperfections later in photoshop is hardly going to take up all night.

Both Rolf and Martin have also changed the desgin of the battery case so that the new cable comes out of the side of the case, rather than directly out of the underside, reducing any serious twists or bends in the cable.
Whilst I was browsing the stands in the trade hall at the weekend I stopped and enquired at the 'Viper' light. Personnaly - No contest!
(am well aware of the other thread so won't go into too much detail why)

The 'K' is by far the best thing on the market at the mo, but does cost!
If you are an expedition caver in BIG FU...ING caves then this is the light for you, especially if you struggle with charging facilities.
Have you seen the price of a spare battery for a Viper!!!!!!???? :tease:

 

potholer

Active member
How did you find having the bright light attached to your helmet worked for photography?

I can see there are some advantages (always having the light without needing to plan, convenience of an attached light for vertical work), but I'd guess there are also times when it's better to have an extra non-attached light specifically for filming?
 

littletitan

New member
potholer said:
How did you find having the bright light attached to your helmet worked for photography?


I took my helmet off my head for photography. Occasionally placing it on the floor, on a ledge or simply waving it around in the foreground.


 

Razzerip1

New member
Tried my K out for the first time tonight in GB, it was like turning on the lights! It's also very good for video.
The new design is improved and very robust. :)
 
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