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PeteHall

Moderator
aardgoose said:
I don't think the regulations were written with all eventualities in mind and certainly not with people intent on finding some semantic loophole to evade the intention of the regulations.
I believe that the intent of the legislation is to prevent people leaving their homes unnecessarily, while protecting the freedom to leave home for necessary reasons, including maintaining physical and mental health through outdoor exercise and recreation.

aardgoose said:
More damage has been done by constantly goals/changing rules/slogans and campaigns which were counter productive: "Eat out etc". "Get back to the office (or else your job will be outsourced as some of the press helpfully added)".
There, I couldn't agree more!
 

cap n chris

Well-known member
Strongly suggest that completely ignoring the government will be the quickest way to return to normality.
 

Badlad

Administrator
Staff member
[gmod]I've removed a post. Cut out the snidey and abusive comments please.[/gmod]
 

Ed

Active member
Cap'n Chris said:
Strongly suggest that completely ignoring the government will be the quickest way to return to normality.

If you or your loved ones aren't dead
 

Fishes

New member
Cap'n Chris said:
Strongly suggest that completely ignoring the government will be the quickest way to return to normality.

I used to  think that cavers were a caring and decent group of people.

Clearly I was wrong.

Luckily, those I have chosen to cave with are a  caring and decent bunch of people.

 

AR

Well-known member
Cap'n Chris said:
Strongly suggest that completely ignoring the government will be the quickest way to return to normality.

Care to explain just how that will work, and what the impact on the the NHS of everyone ignoring lockdown would be?
 

mikem

Well-known member
TBF, 6000 cavers are going to make no difference to the outcome of this pandemic (although it may on an individual basis) - there are many more people outside our community who are impacting the stats. However, some of the virtue signalling may persuade others to do things they wouldn't otherwise try...
 

Stu

Active member
Badlad said:
I've removed a post.  Cut out the snidey and abusive comments please.

How about removing some of the comments about ignoring the lockdown? Or is that not offensive enough?
 

mikem

Well-known member
For anyone who doesn't think the threat is real, ONS statistics are available for excess deaths in England & Wales for 2020 up to mid September - about 59,000 over previous average, most of whom (58,000) were during April & May. [Total suicides were only about half last year's number during that 2nd quarter - 1st & 3rd were similar to previous.]
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/12372weeklyprovisionalexcessdeaths2020forregionsinenglandandwalesandpopulationsofregionsinenglandandukcountries2015to2020
 

Alex

Well-known member
Please tell Borris to stop reading my UKC posts! He also bugged my kitchen for lockdown 2.

P.s. why the feck, did he let the kids back to school only to say, nope stay home. Utter and complete incompetence.
 

Stuart France

Active member
The ONS covid deaths-by-area monthly data is available for up to end of November.  Download it in Excel from here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsduetocovid19bylocalareaanddeprivation

There is also an interactive Covid death map here:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/visualisations/dvc1099/covid-death-map/index.html

Don't bother entering your postcode into that.  Just click Show-By-Month and then click through the months of March to November and watch the splodges explode in April, shrink over the summer, then expand a lot in November.  The December data isn't published yet but it will make for grim reading.

There's only one way in the short term to put this unfolding winter tragedy into reverse and that is to stop meeting with other people unnecessarily, and if you have to then to be exceedingly careful about it.  What's needed is just a lot more common sense, personal and collective responsibility.

 

pwhole

Well-known member
Interestingly, using that tool, my area, which has seemed like a horrorshow for much of the pandemic, hasn't had particularly high numbers of cases at all. That may be down to a younger population overall as it's certainly not down to risk-aversion - apart from at Waitrose, which is hilariously nerve-wracking in comparison as everyone's well-off there, apart from me. We have a Covid-testing centre 50 metres from here, but that obviously takes anyone who needs one - it's never seemed very busy though.

It is tragic though when you can see where we were in August, and I remember only too well the obvious 'slackening off' by the public at large at that point. Every restaurant on my street was packed. Johnson had the nerve today to say that if it wasn't for the new variant, we'd be on top of this by now, which was so offensive and slopey-shouldered it was a disgrace. He also prefaced his 'good news' release timings with four 'IFs', which hardly seems a robust situation to be in. I shouted at the TV "And IF they don't, you twat?" That's pretty much a daily occurrence at the moment.

I was relieved to see the nice Indian doctor that the news have on (I can't remember his name I'm ashamed to admit, but it's late) say that it doesn't matter how much more infectious the new variant is, if people did social distancing properly they still wouldn't get it. About time. Christina Pagel was magnificently low-key in her moment of (partial) triumph, though I'm sure she doesn't see it that way. She deserves an award already.
 

RobinGriffiths

Well-known member
True. Combine an incompetant government, plus a British public who of the rules - are either unaware of, don't understand, wilfully ignore, willfully bend, wilfully break, find ways round, think it doesn't apply to them. That's quite a big cohort when taken together.
 

Stu

Active member
RobinGriffiths said:
True. Combine an incompetant government, plus a British public who of the rules - are either unaware of, don't understand, wilfully ignore, willfully bend, wilfully break, find ways round, think it doesn't apply to them. That's quite a big cohort when taken together.

(y)

That's 67 million 'yeah but I'm the exceptions".
 

mikem

Well-known member
You clicked quote, rather than modify! Can ask a moderator to delete 44 & 2nd post...

[gmod]Sorted[/gmod]
 

pwhole

Well-known member
More from Marina Hyde - luckily I wasn't he only one to have noticed:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/05/school-boris-johnson-national-lockdown-prime-minister-mistakes

But listen, it?s not the prime minister?s fault, the prime minister explained to the nation last night ? it?s all down to this guy New Variant, who got repeated namechecks throughout his sober speech. So sober, in fact, that it was one of those clearly not entirely penned by Johnson, in the manner of the occasional Donald Trump tweet that is very clearly not typed by Trump. Earlier in the day Johnson had warned of ?tough, tough weeks? ahead. Maybe Jamie Redknapp?s writing for him now.

Anyway, as Johnson literally pointed out, he would have got away with it if it hadn?t been for pesky New Variant. In his words: ?Our collective efforts were working and would have continued to work.? Johnson assured the nation that there was ?no doubt? about this. Which is a complete lie, and a useless one.

Like a lot of comically weak men, Johnson is presumed to be an ?alpha male? by other inadequates. Only two weekends ago, a prime ministerial aide panted to the Sunday Times: ?This is Boris?s world now. The rest of us are just living in it.? Repurposing Dean Martin?s famous line about Frank Sinatra to describe the prime minister is certainly bold. We do, however, undoubtedly all have to live in Johnson?s defective psychology at the worst possible time for it.
 

crickleymal

New member
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-slammed-crossing-23264631?fbclid=IwAR2tpLH_MbO7sj2-Rox9VkswDQyoQHFzwDSRZ20tFqeR0gr9vf9vPedZRis
 
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