Underground in Furness

[graham]

This particular copyright issue is one that I have discussed a number of times in a number of different contexts. I have, certainly, uploaded possibly still copyright material to the web (though my name is not Sergey Brin, or even Larry Page)and in cases such as this would have little compunction in doing so.

It is clear that the books are long out of print and similarly clear that they are not going to be republished. Thus the copyright as such is of very little, if any, monetary value indeed. Indeed much of the material has already been published elsewhere, in NC, and nobody got upset. It is is a fair bit, therefore, that even if the current copyright holder could be found, they would not have a problem. If they did, then the remedy is simple, you apologise and take the material down again. If they threatened to sue, then politely ask them what their financial losses have been. I'll be surprised if they amount to anything at all, how could they?

I have a scan of one book that we have not treated in this way* as there is someone who is claiming to hold the copyright. We don't believe them as there would, most certainly, be a market for a reprint and they have not produced one, but they are rather hard-line in their claims and we don't feel strongly enough about it to wish to end up in court.

*not a caving tome.

 

[grahams]

The Max Moseley article in full is at https://www.academia.edu/1687143/For_the_record_Underground_in_Furness

Thanks for the link. My copy of UiF2 arrived this morning but I've only had a chance for a quick skim so far. It seems to me on reading the book, though without any detailed knowledge, that Holland was treated a little harshly by his club. All he appears to have done is to collect and collate the information provided by his contemporaries in a similar manner to Norman Thornber - the format and style of PU and UiF2 are virtually identical, I would guess at the behest of Dalesman Publishing.

Loved the ref. to Warton Paint Mines in the link. It reminded me of Sabden Treacle Mines.

 

[Monty_Stubble]

Before you get too enthusiastic of Eric, who I knew very well, you should read Max Moseley's piece called "FOR THE RECORD: ?UNDERGROUND IN FURNESS?" which is available on Academia.

Copyright for Eric's work will, at the moment be with his wife, Maureen and then at some point in the long distance with his daughter who lives in the US.

 

[psychocrawler]

Both editions turn up fairly regularly on Abebooks from UK sellers but not every week or  ?on demand? like Amazon. A bit like the Martel classics (be prepared to go ?.fr? for these).

 

[Pitlamp]

The Max Moseley article in full is at https://www.academia.edu/1687143/For_the_record_Underground_in_Furness

Thanks; that's interesting. It's a real shame we don't have Eric's version, to give his side of the story though.

 

[mikem]

Some of his collection is available:
https://www.nwemail.co.uk/features/nostalgia/16451949.access-agreed-to-cumbrian-mine-history-plans/

The paint mines however are real, being red ochre (although the surrounding woods are now used for paintball)

 

[RobinGriffiths]

Just picked the 1967 edition up for ?18 off Amazon. Wonder if it references the jam butty mines - but I guess they were quite a bit further south.