What are your views on the CSCC?
- Thread starter Ed W
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ZombieCake
Well-known member
Can I vote for that nice lady with the pet dragons as rep for something?
TheBitterEnd
Well-known member
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74bRnBo1c14
A_Northerner
Active member
TheBitterEnd said:
These days if you say you're a caver you get arrested and thrown in jail.
cap n chris
Well-known member
Pretty sure I know what at least one or more of the C's stand for.
:spank:
Ed W
Member
In case anyone is interested the following was posted on the CSCC mailing list yesterday;
Members of CSCC,
There will be a CSCC Zoom meeting Wednesday 15 July 2020
Link to join zoom meeting will be forwarded nearer the meeting.
Frank Tully
Secretary CSCC
To which was attached the following agenda;
Agenda for the General Meeting
19:00 Wednesday 15 July 2020,
Online Zoom meeting,
Zoom link will be emailed nearer the meeting date.
1 Attendance
2 Apologies for absence
3 Approval minutes,
Minutes of meeting 15 Feb 2020 not available yet.
4 Chairman's report Alan Butcher
5 Secretary's report Frank Tully
6 Conservation & access officer's report Les Williams
6.1 Masbury Swallet Ongoing
6.2 Loxton Cavern Ongoing
6.3 Ubley Warren Ongoing
6.4 Cow hole Ongoing
6.5 Elm Cave Ongoing
6.6 CSCC Locks Ongoing
6.7 Access Database GP to have ability to add caves to database.
DC to write some code to allow GP to add caves.
7 Treasurer's report
8 Training officer's report
9 Equipment officer's report Andrew Atkinson.
10 BCA rep report
Report on Proposals to BCA AGM, BCA AGM ? Sunday 11 October 2020 Priddy Village Hall,
Deadline for submissions 23:59 Sat 01 Aug 2020
Next BCA Executive meeting Saturday 18th July 2020
11 Webmasters report David Cooke
12 Regional registry officer?s report Alan Gray
13 Any other Business
14 Forthcoming events
10 - 11 October 2020 BCA AGM & Weekend of caving related events
15 Dates of meetings 2019-2020
? Saturday 14
th September 2019 (GM) 10:30 Hunters
? Saturday 23
th November 2019 (GM) 10:30 Hunters
? Saturday 15
th February 2020 (GM) 10:30 Hunters
? Saturday 18th May 2020 (AGM) 10:30 Hunters
As yet nothing has been said as to whether this General Meeting has any impact on the previously announced rescheduled AGM on 25th July, which unlike the above meeting is shown on the CSCC website (https://cscc.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=documents:start)
Note that historically anyone can attend a CSCC meeting, but only nominated representatives of member clubs get a vote.
Members of CSCC,
There will be a CSCC Zoom meeting Wednesday 15 July 2020
Link to join zoom meeting will be forwarded nearer the meeting.
Frank Tully
Secretary CSCC
To which was attached the following agenda;
Agenda for the General Meeting
19:00 Wednesday 15 July 2020,
Online Zoom meeting,
Zoom link will be emailed nearer the meeting date.
1 Attendance
2 Apologies for absence
3 Approval minutes,
Minutes of meeting 15 Feb 2020 not available yet.
4 Chairman's report Alan Butcher
5 Secretary's report Frank Tully
6 Conservation & access officer's report Les Williams
6.1 Masbury Swallet Ongoing
6.2 Loxton Cavern Ongoing
6.3 Ubley Warren Ongoing
6.4 Cow hole Ongoing
6.5 Elm Cave Ongoing
6.6 CSCC Locks Ongoing
6.7 Access Database GP to have ability to add caves to database.
DC to write some code to allow GP to add caves.
7 Treasurer's report
8 Training officer's report
9 Equipment officer's report Andrew Atkinson.
10 BCA rep report
Report on Proposals to BCA AGM, BCA AGM ? Sunday 11 October 2020 Priddy Village Hall,
Deadline for submissions 23:59 Sat 01 Aug 2020
Next BCA Executive meeting Saturday 18th July 2020
11 Webmasters report David Cooke
12 Regional registry officer?s report Alan Gray
13 Any other Business
14 Forthcoming events
10 - 11 October 2020 BCA AGM & Weekend of caving related events
15 Dates of meetings 2019-2020
? Saturday 14
th September 2019 (GM) 10:30 Hunters
? Saturday 23
th November 2019 (GM) 10:30 Hunters
? Saturday 15
th February 2020 (GM) 10:30 Hunters
? Saturday 18th May 2020 (AGM) 10:30 Hunters
As yet nothing has been said as to whether this General Meeting has any impact on the previously announced rescheduled AGM on 25th July, which unlike the above meeting is shown on the CSCC website (https://cscc.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=documents:start)
Note that historically anyone can attend a CSCC meeting, but only nominated representatives of member clubs get a vote.
cap n chris
Well-known member
Would proposing a vote of no confidence on the grounds of being unfit for purpose meet with approval from anyone?
PeteHall
Moderator
I would be very interested to see how this might play out, though I suspect that the motion would not pass as those who turn up and vote are unlikely to support it.
That said, if it is a Zoom meeting, there may be better attendance but club reps would need to agree this with their membership ahead of the meeting. Or at least I hope that they would.
If a vote of no confidence was raised without prior notice or discussion at club level, I would expect reps to either oppose it on the usual grounds of maintenaning the status quo, or otherwise to abstain. Personally, if I were representing any of my clubs without a specific discussion on the subject, I would feel obliged to abstain on something as controversial as this.
That said, if it is a Zoom meeting, there may be better attendance but club reps would need to agree this with their membership ahead of the meeting. Or at least I hope that they would.
If a vote of no confidence was raised without prior notice or discussion at club level, I would expect reps to either oppose it on the usual grounds of maintenaning the status quo, or otherwise to abstain. Personally, if I were representing any of my clubs without a specific discussion on the subject, I would feel obliged to abstain on something as controversial as this.
Judi Durber
Member
In case you are not aware who the member clubs are:
Aberystwyth Caving Club
Antares Caving Club
Avon Scouts Caving Section
Axbridge Caving Group
Bracknell & District Caving Club
Brighton Explorers Club
Bristol and District Caving Club
Bristol Exploration Club
Buckfastleigh Caving Club
Cerberus Spel?ological Society
Cheddar Caving Club
Combined Services Caving Association
Compass Exploration Group
Dudley Caving Club
Education in the Environment Caving Club
Essex County Scout Caving Team
Exeter University Speleology Society
Frome Caving Group
Gloucester Speleological Society
Gosport Caving Club
Greater London South Caving Club
Hades Caving Club
Hampshire Scouts Caving Club
Keyhole Caving Club
Lost World Caving Club
Mendip Caving Group
Mendip Nature Research Committee
Moles Caving Club
Newbury and District Caving Club
Old Matey's Caving Club
Oxford University Cave Club
Shepton Mallet Caving Club
Shropshire Scouts Caving Team
South Bristol Speleological Society
Southern Professional and conservation cavers
Southsea Spel?ological Society
University of Bristol Spel?ological Society
Wealden Cave and Mine Society
Wessex Cave Club
West Sussex Caving Club
Wimps and Y-Anchors Caving Club
White Rabbit Caving Club (2016)
https://cscc.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=about:member_clubs
Aberystwyth Caving Club
Antares Caving Club
Avon Scouts Caving Section
Axbridge Caving Group
Bracknell & District Caving Club
Brighton Explorers Club
Bristol and District Caving Club
Bristol Exploration Club
Buckfastleigh Caving Club
Cerberus Spel?ological Society
Cheddar Caving Club
Combined Services Caving Association
Compass Exploration Group
Dudley Caving Club
Education in the Environment Caving Club
Essex County Scout Caving Team
Exeter University Speleology Society
Frome Caving Group
Gloucester Speleological Society
Gosport Caving Club
Greater London South Caving Club
Hades Caving Club
Hampshire Scouts Caving Club
Keyhole Caving Club
Lost World Caving Club
Mendip Caving Group
Mendip Nature Research Committee
Moles Caving Club
Newbury and District Caving Club
Old Matey's Caving Club
Oxford University Cave Club
Shepton Mallet Caving Club
Shropshire Scouts Caving Team
South Bristol Speleological Society
Southern Professional and conservation cavers
Southsea Spel?ological Society
University of Bristol Spel?ological Society
Wealden Cave and Mine Society
Wessex Cave Club
West Sussex Caving Club
Wimps and Y-Anchors Caving Club
White Rabbit Caving Club (2016)
https://cscc.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=about:member_clubs
PeteHall
Moderator
All minutes are here with details of who has attended: https://cscc.org.uk/wiki/doku.php?id=documents:start
Doesn't look like Frome have been once in the last 10 years, along with quite a number of others...
Furthermore, I believe that there has only been one quorate meeting in the last 3 years.
Ultimately, we southern cavers who disagree with the way it is run, generally have ourselves to blame for not engaging.
The fact that those outside the clique who have tried to engage have become disheartened and given up goes a long way to explaining why people don't bother, but if enough "new blood" got involved they would be able to support each other and hopefully be able to start moving the wheel of progress.
This needs engagement at club level and a rep who attends meetings, reports back to the club and encourages discussion of the membership, in order to properly represent the cub views. Some clubs do this already. I know that both my clubs are usually in attendance at CSCC meetings, and at least one of those clubs has held internal votes on contentious issues, though it is not always clear how the representative have voted.e...
I have therefore submitted the following proposal to the upcoming CSCC AGM
Doesn't look like Frome have been once in the last 10 years, along with quite a number of others...
Furthermore, I believe that there has only been one quorate meeting in the last 3 years.
Ultimately, we southern cavers who disagree with the way it is run, generally have ourselves to blame for not engaging.
The fact that those outside the clique who have tried to engage have become disheartened and given up goes a long way to explaining why people don't bother, but if enough "new blood" got involved they would be able to support each other and hopefully be able to start moving the wheel of progress.
This needs engagement at club level and a rep who attends meetings, reports back to the club and encourages discussion of the membership, in order to properly represent the cub views. Some clubs do this already. I know that both my clubs are usually in attendance at CSCC meetings, and at least one of those clubs has held internal votes on contentious issues, though it is not always clear how the representative have voted.e...
I have therefore submitted the following proposal to the upcoming CSCC AGM
MJenkinson
Member
Just to point out that from my POV, that more engagement by clubs has led to positive change in the CNCC, and that then drives more interation and engagement.
Someones just going to have to take the plunge / pain and start the ball rolling if people want change down there.
Someones just going to have to take the plunge / pain and start the ball rolling if people want change down there.