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What's in your tackle bag?

Alex

Well-known member
I am quite bad when it comes to trips in the Dales, maybe I have become a bit blarzay and it may be due to my mates moaning at me asking why are you dragging that thing around with me all the time. I must admit I have succumb to peer pressure and simply take knife, whistle, a few snacks and a spare battery stashed around my body to avoid taking a bag altogether. So I can then take a rope bag (or two) which is full of rope, crabs and often water.

On expos it's a differnt however, I take (And what I should take in the UK):
2 man survival tent.
Food/snacks (qty varies depending on trip length).
Camera of course
Bottled water/drink.
Basic first aid kit with ibu profen and paracetamols for personal use (After what happened to me once and 13 people did not have any, don't underestimate the drugs part it could make the difference between exiting the cave with an injury and needing a full rescue)
Spare batteries/light.
Survey kit - (Expeds only of course).


 

ZombieCake

Well-known member
Could the sharp pointy bits of the ice axe perhaps be used for one of those improvised pneumo-tension-thingamy-wotsit-spurty-things as promulgated by the leech-meisters?  I suppose there could be a few side effects  :-\
 

Alex

Well-known member
As for  tension pneumothorax, I had not read up and realised we were so far off topic. Basically even those on mountain/cave rescue with a cas care certificate who can identify it more readily won't try and treat it by sticking a needle into their chest. The only option is to attempt quick evacuation, either that or feed them to the cave monsters.
 

Ian Ball

Well-known member
I'm going to break with the habit of a lifetime and invest in a Mike Hopley inspired first aid kit.  I may even consider learning how to use it.  (y)

As for tension pneumothorax (relative of the Tyrannosaurs?)  Not something I could even begin to contemplate without feinting  :-[



 

Fulk

Well-known member
As for tension pneumothorax (relative of the Tyrannosaurs?)  Not something I could even begin to contemplate without feinting

Probably best that way ? sneak up on 'em!
 

Selkirk

Member
I can't see the problem of a large bore cannula or two. As long as the user is experienced to identify and competent to perform the procedure. Certainly on exped they would be invaluable and as mentioned, early iv access is crucial to help avoid potential future complications.
 

Wet Spaniel

New member
Alex said:
As for  tension pneumothorax, I had not read up and realised we were so far off topic. Basically even those on mountain/cave rescue with a cas care certificate who can identify it more readily won't try and treat it by sticking a needle into their chest. The only option is to attempt quick evacuation, either that or feed them to the cave monsters.

I remember the bit about not giving Entonox to pneumothorax casualties - but I must've dozed off during the feeding to the cave monsters part of the training.  Shame really as it sounds quite an interesting solution !!
 

Antwan

Member
Reminds me of a student club at Bull Pot Farm, one young lad was happily instructing SRT rescue from an adjacent tree while I was walking past. He went on to say how in an unconscious caver you would need to tie a sling to their tongue and tension it to the rope with a prussic  to prevent them swallowing it.

He wasn't too happy when I pointed out that 1) they would probably drown on the blood from having there tongue pulled out and 2) when I asked the young lady on the rope to go limp and she ended up suspended with with her head back - negating the tongue swallowing in the first place.

I imagine he would cave with a bag full of pointy sharp things. (I wonder if he will ever read this?)
 

Peregrina

Member
Antwan,

You've reminded me of a fairly gruesome statement I read recently in Medicine For Mountaineering:

"If no other equipment is available, a large safety pin can be placed through the tip of the tongue and secured to the lower lip, chest, or clothing to keep the tongue from falling back"

Ew.
 

moletta

Member
In answer to Trig Gledhill

Malt loaf. Can be remoulded into many shapes, and still looks and tastes the same!
 
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