Where is it
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They lied to you on the website. That's not in the Peak District, that is Stephen's Gap which is a vertical cave here in the States down in TAG.
It's rather popular one. There is a horizontal entrance off to the side there you can't see, that is an easy walk-in. Or you can rig the approx. 130 foot drop. Next time I go to TAG we are doing that cave. It's not a whole lot of cave but it is gorgeous as you can see.
(do i get bonus wezzit points? lol)
It's rather popular one. There is a horizontal entrance off to the side there you can't see, that is an easy walk-in. Or you can rig the approx. 130 foot drop. Next time I go to TAG we are doing that cave. It's not a whole lot of cave but it is gorgeous as you can see.
(do i get bonus wezzit points? lol)
What is even worse is that is definitely not the best I've seen of Stephen's Gap. Sure it is really pretty, but I have seen much better images taken by may a photographer - that shot is "the picture" to take when you go. It's far more picturesque in person or through another lens. I still think my favorite photos of the place are the ones of a wedding that took place there. Those can be viewed here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/brinabat/2956939706/# and is it just me or is that not the best wedding idea ever?
Like I said there is a horizontal walk-in entrance to the side, so it is easy to get down there without messing up a nice dress or suit, you don't have to do the rappel in. (But I believe in one of the photo descriptions they said they did that right after the cermony, went back out and changed and did the drop lol).
Best wedding idea ever!
Like I said there is a horizontal walk-in entrance to the side, so it is easy to get down there without messing up a nice dress or suit, you don't have to do the rappel in. (But I believe in one of the photo descriptions they said they did that right after the cermony, went back out and changed and did the drop lol).
Best wedding idea ever!
eeonefivebee
New member
Amy said:
Hello, I am the 'liar' from the web site. I don't normally spend my time on forums but I felt that in this instance I wanted to exercise my right of reply to clear things up as I am not happy about being slandered so here goes ...
As far as I can see, nowhere on the page is it actually said that the image is of a cave in the Peak District although the author (not me) has suggested that it is awaiting you there which I agree could be misleading.
The article was written by an American SEO company for the purpose of search engine optimisation for one of their client's travel web sites. They wrote the article and my contract with them stipulated that it was to be added exactly as they supplied it and not changed during the agreed life of the article on the site. I accepted the article and image on the understanding that they had the rights to both the words and image. I had completely forgotten about its existence and it should have been removed some months back.
Despite the fact that the image is not actually hers, Amy sent me a fairly patronising and unpleasant email about the possible breach of copyright, demanding it should be removed, however, she does have a point as I am responsible for what appears on my web site.
Therefore, at some time today, the image will be removed.
I apologize if the tone of my email was off. I take copyright issues seriously, having had photos stolen from myself in the past and used for gain. If you have rights to the image by all means use it if you want! Nothing wrong with that! 
I still think it's odd to use a photo of a TAG cave to represent the Peak District, but I can agree to disagree on that. Marketing is marketing, I guess.
I still think it's odd to use a photo of a TAG cave to represent the Peak District, but I can agree to disagree on that. Marketing is marketing, I guess.
Well you can kinda keep track...I tend to (if it's not on my flickr album which marks every image copyright below it) put my photography watermark on my images now, and record my info in the metadata for the image. I use Adobe Bridge to import photos which makes the metadata tagging easy, and there is a plug-in for Photoshop to batch add watermarks in the location and transparency you want it at.
I've had people tell me "caving photos are a dime a dozen, don't get your panties twisted over someone using it" but if they are so cheap and easy to get - YOU go get one yourself I say! lol. I'm the one who traveled (at least 6 hours!) to even get to the region of the cave(s), invested money in the gear to get there safely, spent the time going on the cave trip, bothered to set up and take a photo...if you like it it doesn't kill to ask me to use it! I don't think I've ever said no to someone who asked. And little things like others who were on the trip wanting the copies for their files or to use as avatars or whatever, never bothers me even if not asked. The issue I have is when they are published/used for gain without asking, and without giving credit where credit is due.
Basically, this: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/
I've had people tell me "caving photos are a dime a dozen, don't get your panties twisted over someone using it" but if they are so cheap and easy to get - YOU go get one yourself I say! lol. I'm the one who traveled (at least 6 hours!) to even get to the region of the cave(s), invested money in the gear to get there safely, spent the time going on the cave trip, bothered to set up and take a photo...if you like it it doesn't kill to ask me to use it! I don't think I've ever said no to someone who asked. And little things like others who were on the trip wanting the copies for their files or to use as avatars or whatever, never bothers me even if not asked. The issue I have is when they are published/used for gain without asking, and without giving credit where credit is due.
Basically, this: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/
Bumping 'cause I went there, and it's gorgeous!
(and if you want to see larger images look here http://www.flickr.com/photos/sunguramy/sets/72157626572769077/)
More like...HOLY MOLASSES is Stephen's Gap incredible. On my first rappel (yeah I did it twice, hehe) the sun was hitting the waterfall jussssssst right to make a double rainbow. I uh...no...didn't get a photo. I was too busy gasping in awe and thought to just lock off my rack and chill there a bit and stare and soak it in. Never dawned on me my camera was right on my gear loop. Ah well, that image is burned in my memory forever I took a TON of photos and ended up creating panoramics of most of them as it shows everything the best .
On the second rappel I did I remembered to take photos, but the sun had moved past so no more rainbows and not much light was directly streaming into the entrance pit. Also I learned taking photos on rope is hard, you tend to have innate moving since you're just hanging there, it's not as steady as being on the ground. I really didn't get good shots while on rope, haha.
For your viewing pleasure...
Horizontal panoramic of the main pit, however, *most* people don't rig here (there is another falls that comes in about 30-40ft down that you'd end up in).
Same spot, but vertical of the falls from where it starts to where it disappears...
Brian rigging the Keyhole (the standard entrance point, a slot on the left side from where the above photos are, it lands you on the pedestal or you can continue the additional 40ft to the bottom). He did a sweet job with a little redirect so the rope hung straight down the whole way (all 140ft + 40 ft if to the bottom). I need to remember that trick.
The "classic" photo, but I had Brian stand in it for scale and a burst of colourful orange. Round platform behind him is the pedestal.
Looking up from the pedestal towards the Keyhole (the little slot you see on the very top!)
Looking outward and down from the pedestal
Brian (and I of course) watching David after he did the additional 40ft to the bottom, there is horizontal parts and further smaller drops (you can do a pull down through trip) and he explored a bit down there.
For this shot I laid down on the pedestal and looked upwards, I think this is one of my fav photos from the trip, actually.
Classic dual entrance shot. You can come in off this side entrance it's just scrambling down breakdown, but it's not a good idea to climb down to the pedestal without a line from the side entrance (very slick and if you slip buh-bye!)
Some shots I took while on rope...like I said sadly at this point the sun had passed in the sky so the lighting wasn't as amazing. I will go back sometime I'm sure and nab those awesome shots that for now are only in my mind.
So yeah....you should all come to TAG
(and if you want to see larger images look here http://www.flickr.com/photos/sunguramy/sets/72157626572769077/)
More like...HOLY MOLASSES is Stephen's Gap incredible. On my first rappel (yeah I did it twice, hehe) the sun was hitting the waterfall jussssssst right to make a double rainbow. I uh...no...didn't get a photo. I was too busy gasping in awe and thought to just lock off my rack and chill there a bit and stare and soak it in. Never dawned on me my camera was right on my gear loop. Ah well, that image is burned in my memory forever
I took a TON of photos and ended up creating panoramics of most of them as it shows everything the best . On the second rappel I did I remembered to take photos, but the sun had moved past so no more rainbows and not much light was directly streaming into the entrance pit. Also I learned taking photos on rope is hard, you tend to have innate moving since you're just hanging there, it's not as steady as being on the ground. I really didn't get good shots while on rope, haha.
For your viewing pleasure...
Horizontal panoramic of the main pit, however, *most* people don't rig here (there is another falls that comes in about 30-40ft down that you'd end up in).
Same spot, but vertical of the falls from where it starts to where it disappears...
Brian rigging the Keyhole (the standard entrance point, a slot on the left side from where the above photos are, it lands you on the pedestal or you can continue the additional 40ft to the bottom). He did a sweet job with a little redirect so the rope hung straight down the whole way (all 140ft + 40 ft if to the bottom). I need to remember that trick.
The "classic" photo, but I had Brian stand in it for scale and a burst of colourful orange. Round platform behind him is the pedestal.
Looking up from the pedestal towards the Keyhole (the little slot you see on the very top!)
Looking outward and down from the pedestal
Brian (and I of course) watching David after he did the additional 40ft to the bottom, there is horizontal parts and further smaller drops (you can do a pull down through trip) and he explored a bit down there.
For this shot I laid down on the pedestal and looked upwards, I think this is one of my fav photos from the trip, actually.
Classic dual entrance shot. You can come in off this side entrance it's just scrambling down breakdown, but it's not a good idea to climb down to the pedestal without a line from the side entrance (very slick and if you slip buh-bye!)
Some shots I took while on rope...like I said sadly at this point the sun had passed in the sky so the lighting wasn't as amazing. I will go back sometime I'm sure and nab those awesome shots that for now are only in my mind.
So yeah....you should all come to TAG
Alex
Well-known member
Great pictures
Next time your over here you should head down Alum Pot in Yorkshire. It is very much like that cave, except it is slightly deeper. The fun thing about Alum though is you can access it from a side cave and come out half way down, making a very fun descent . Again very much like that cave. One of the easier, classic trips up here in Yorkshire. I am sure there is some photo's of it around here somewhere.
Next time your over here you should head down Alum Pot in Yorkshire. It is very much like that cave, except it is slightly deeper. The fun thing about Alum though is you can access it from a side cave and come out half way down, making a very fun descent . Again very much like that cave. One of the easier, classic trips up here in Yorkshire. I am sure there is some photo's of it around here somewhere.
ogof addict
Member
Did the "liar" from the website not take the picture off the website as promised back in january?
the one there today does look like the same cave as in Amy's pictures.
the one there today does look like the same cave as in Amy's pictures.
crickleymal
New member
Seems a bit disingenuous to include a picture of a cave from the USA on a website promoting holidays in the Peak District.
It is Stephen's Gap indeed still on that link in the OP, yes. So it was not taken down. I think it was eventually determined it was ok for them to use it copyright-way so they kept it? I dunno. But yeah, that cave is no more in the Peak District than it was before, haha.ogof addict said:
cap n chris
Well-known member
Where? Can't find the picture on the website.
cap n chris
Well-known member
That's what I suspect, too: using google to find the website and accessing it directly, without the link, results in (my) inability to locate the offending picture which strongly suggests that it has indeed been removed, as was mentioned earlier in this thread by the SEO chappie. Therefore perhaps he shouldn't be villified any longer.
