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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #25 on: August 13, 2015, 06:23:37 pm »
Coincidentally, the CHECC club board on UKC was archived today as it wasn't being used  :(

However....

UKC are only too happy to support any club, CHECC, student or otherwise - so if you want to reach out to the 100's of cavers who read UKC every day, please do get in touch  :thumbsup:

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #26 on: August 13, 2015, 06:26:08 pm »
This has always been a problem with college caving, back in the early 70's we were classed as a sport, so came under the jurisdiction of the 'Athletics Union', (I even got my 'college colours for caving')---??,.

This business about only coaches/trainers being allowed to join is truly cr*p, I suspect that some re-writing of constitutions is required!.
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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2015, 08:27:45 pm »
York seem to have a good set up with continuity between YUCPC and York Caving Club.

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #28 on: August 13, 2015, 09:38:35 pm »
YUCPC from the very start had an excellent relationship with local non-university cavers. Glad to see the tradition is being carried on.
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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #29 on: August 13, 2015, 10:06:08 pm »
York (yucpc) also has good connections with the bradford, the northern pennine club, SWCC and the TSG. having 1 or 2 members in each of them who have left the university in the last 5 years.

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2015, 12:13:14 am »
I guess one route to reform caving clubs  would be to try to get the climbing clubs to look at caving
with possible spin-off later.  People in SWCC have tried with Swansea Uni this but nothing has developed yet.

It's how a lot of clubs originally started, it's a good idea. Would be nice to see where the pitfalls were. Pardon the pun.

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2015, 10:20:25 am »
YUCPC from the very start had an excellent relationship with local non-university cavers. Glad to see the tradition is being carried on.

YUCPC are lucky in that the uni imposes no restrictions on alumni and staff (or even people completely unassociated with the uni) being able to join the club, so there are plenty of us older members that stick around to pass on experience, and that really helped when we had recently had a couple of years on the trot with low intake (or rather, plenty of people signing up, but not many staying for various reasons). We've had a great intake of new enthusiastic people this year, several of whom have even joined YCC too and go on their weekly digging sessions; the future is still looking bright :)

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2015, 12:30:17 pm »
This has always been a problem with college caving, back in the early 70's we were classed as a sport, so came under the jurisdiction of the 'Athletics Union', (I even got my 'college colours for caving')---??,.

This business about only coaches/trainers being allowed to join is truly cr*p, I suspect that some re-writing of constitutions is required!.
Bograt, this is a point that's been brought up at GUPA before (e.g. "Why don't we drop the Sport Association and just join the SRC (Student Rep Council)?") It's a good question on the surface, with the SRC allowing up to 30% of the membership be non-students, but GUSA gives  us a fair amount of money to buy kit and the like, something which the SRC doesn't do. We are barely scraping by as it is (most of our non-SRT kit is 5-10 years old and in dire need of replacing) we're kinda stuck being a "Sport." However, we decided that this year we're going to try and attract non-"sporty" people to the club by actively advertising outside of the Sports Fair. And yes, I know that caving is a challenging activity, but not everyone who caves falls into the category of being a sporty person, hence the quotation marks.

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2015, 01:55:51 pm »
However, we decided that this year we're going to try and attract non-"sporty" people to the club by actively advertising outside of the Sports Fair. And yes, I know that caving is a challenging activity, but not everyone who caves falls into the category of being a sporty person, hence the quotation marks.

Sounds a good plan to me. At freshers' fair, I tend to actively target the "non-sporty" looking people. By that, without meaning to sound judgemental, I mean I will go and talk to people walking past who look like they're probably active, but who don't look like footballers/rugby players/etc (who are likely to be spending their time playing those sports and not be interested in caving). Yes obviously you can't always tell but sometimes you get an impression. And yes some footballers/rugby players might enjoy caving, but when you have hundreds of potential "customers" going past you have to be a bit picky.

Incidentally, we had a discussion on our forum a while back about different ways to attract (and hopefully keep) new student members; I'd be happy to pass the information along if it would help?

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2015, 02:24:34 pm »
This has always been a problem with college caving, back in the early 70's we were classed as a sport, so came under the jurisdiction of the 'Athletics Union', (I even got my 'college colours for caving')---??,.

This business about only coaches/trainers being allowed to join is truly cr*p, I suspect that some re-writing of constitutions is required!.
Bograt, this is a point that's been brought up at GUPA before (e.g. "Why don't we drop the Sport Association and just join the SRC (Student Rep Council)?") It's a good question on the surface, with the SRC allowing up to 30% of the membership be non-students, but GUSA gives  us a fair amount of money to buy kit and the like, something which the SRC doesn't do. We are barely scraping by as it is (most of our non-SRT kit is 5-10 years old and in dire need of replacing) we're kinda stuck being a "Sport." However, we decided that this year we're going to try and attract non-"sporty" people to the club by actively advertising outside of the Sports Fair. And yes, I know that caving is a challenging activity, but not everyone who caves falls into the category of being a sporty person, hence the quotation marks.

Cardiff Uni got around this problem by creating a secondary club with the union, Cardiff Speleology Society - officially interested in the science of caves but unofficially, just cavers... This way they are able to advertise at both the Athletics Fayre and the Societies Fayre!

http://www.cardiffstudents.com/activities/society/speleological/

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2015, 05:21:05 pm »
YUCPC from the very start had an excellent relationship with local non-university cavers. Glad to see the tradition is being carried on.

YUCPC are lucky in that the uni imposes no restrictions on alumni and staff (or even people completely unassociated with the uni) being able to join the club, so there are plenty of us older members that stick around to pass on experience, and that really helped when we had recently had a couple of years on the trot with low intake (or rather, plenty of people signing up, but not many staying for various reasons). We've had a great intake of new enthusiastic people this year, several of whom have even joined YCC too and go on their weekly digging sessions; the future is still looking bright :)

Which is the way it worked at the very beginning, where a couple of the early lights of the YUCPC were in a local caving group when YUCPC was started. Members of that caving group (including yours truly) were then invited on YUCPC trips. Including the early Picos expeditions. Further supplemented by members of a long established Mendip club..... :lol:
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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2015, 06:35:15 pm »

Bograt, this is a point that's been brought up at GUPA before (e.g. "Why don't we drop the Sport Association and just join the SRC (Student Rep Council)?") It's a good question on the surface, with the SRC allowing up to 30% of the membership be non-students, but GUSA gives  us a fair amount of money to buy kit and the like, something which the SRC doesn't do. We are barely scraping by as it is (most of our non-SRT kit is 5-10 years old and in dire need of replacing) we're kinda stuck being a "Sport." However, we decided that this year we're going to try and attract non-"sporty" people to the club by actively advertising outside of the Sports Fair. And yes, I know that caving is a challenging activity, but not everyone who caves falls into the category of being a sporty person, hence the quotation marks.

Cardiff Uni got around this problem by creating a secondary club with the union, Cardiff Speleology Society - officially interested in the science of caves but unofficially, just cavers... This way they are able to advertise at both the Athletics Fayre and the Societies Fayre!

http://www.cardiffstudents.com/activities/society/speleological/

I would strongly urge you to do the 'Cardiff Fix' and get 2 streams of support for the club. The reality of the situation is that most caving clubs straddle both the traditional definitions of sports clubs and societies, cavers tend to go with the path of least bureaucratic resistance and actually if you spend a little bit of time playing their game they usually come on side. You just have to be very friendly or very pushy. Keep reminding them etc.

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2015, 07:54:19 pm »
Must admit, back then, any financial allocation to sport was administered by the AU on behalf of the SU, there was no other route, that's why we put up with it.
 Amount allocated depended upon the signed up membership, this was why there was such a drive on freshers night to get signatures.

Don't know if this is still the case? (I am thinking 40 years ago :o)
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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2015, 08:48:41 am »
Must admit, back then, any financial allocation to sport was administered by the AU on behalf of the SU, there was no other route, that's why we put up with it.
 Amount allocated depended upon the signed up membership, this was why there was such a drive on freshers night to get signatures.

Don't know if this is still the case? (I am thinking 40 years ago :o)

This is still largely the case.

A few caving clubs don't get any annual handout any more, they instead rely on claims from a 'safety' budget which are dished out based on memberships

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2015, 10:17:47 am »
I did a lot of caving with Portsmouth Polytechnic Club back in the early 70's. What they lacked in funding they made up in youthful enthusiasm. Of course there was little in the way of caving gear to buy in any case. Ex garage oily overalls, ex NCB cells and very few wet suits. ( You made your own ). We had trips to Derbyshire , Yorkshire and the Mendips doing a few of the classic caves on a hope and a prayer. A few would come down to Mendip on a motor bike or a beat up old car. ( Pete Rose's half a gallon of petrol at a time. Got told to f+++ off by one garage.) Swildons and Stoke sumps in thick woolly jumpers. A pint down the pub for those with hypothermia. A fatter member we left at any inconvenient squeeze to collect on the way back. Its all so different now. More professional yes but that spirit of adventure is slowly dying. But then I am a sad old git brought up in a cottage with a bucket bog at the bottom of the garden and a tin bath in the front room. Well I am still caving most weeks after 50 years. I wonder how many more of that generation are ?

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2015, 10:35:40 am »
Portsmouth PCC in Derbyshire late 1960's.


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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #41 on: August 15, 2015, 10:42:51 am »
This old git on a trip this week realising that there are some squeezes he really cant now get through. Photo with my camera passed through hence the gloves.
Anyone from PPCC out there ?


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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #42 on: August 15, 2015, 10:48:33 am »
PPCC member Pete Rose at Swildons Sump Four. 1960's.



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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #43 on: August 15, 2015, 11:13:16 am »
O.R., post #40, Knotlow?.
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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #44 on: August 15, 2015, 11:40:48 am »
I'd say they have parked nearer the entrance to Hillocks but certainly looks like the Knotlow/ Hillocks parking area to me!

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2015, 12:49:52 pm »
PPCC member Pete Rose at Swildons Sump Four. 1960's.




Hmm, 'Stinkey' in tandem with a 3 cell NiFe, I can remember it, can others?
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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #46 on: August 15, 2015, 02:29:59 pm »
Hmm, 'Stinkey' in tandem with a 3 cell NiFe, I can remember it, can others?

Almost but not quite. Stinky, yes and that is, I think, a NiFe headset, but it's an Edison 3 cell battery back.
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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2015, 05:13:32 pm »
Yup, surely an Edison 3 cell NiFe??? (as in Nickel - Iron) - alkaline? --- still got one somewhere!
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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2015, 06:47:28 pm »
O.R., post #40, Knotlow?.

Did Hillocks / Knotlow so probably.

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Re: The state of University clubs?
« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2015, 07:15:18 pm »
However, we decided that this year we're going to try and attract non-"sporty" people to the club by actively advertising outside of the Sports Fair. And yes, I know that caving is a challenging activity, but not everyone who caves falls into the category of being a sporty person, hence the quotation marks.

Sounds a good plan to me. At freshers' fair, I tend to actively target the "non-sporty" looking people. By that, without meaning to sound judgemental, I mean I will go and talk to people walking past who look like they're probably active, but who don't look like footballers/rugby players/etc (who are likely to be spending their time playing those sports and not be interested in caving). Yes obviously you can't always tell but sometimes you get an impression. And yes some footballers/rugby players might enjoy caving, but when you have hundreds of potential "customers" going past you have to be a bit picky.

Incidentally, we had a discussion on our forum a while back about different ways to attract (and hopefully keep) new student members; I'd be happy to pass the information along if it would help?

I'm always interested in this sort of thing.

 

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