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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2018, 04:05:28 pm »
He happened to be on a caving holiday out there. From the posts we have seen it'll make a change from being attacked by leeches but come to think of jounalists though perhaps not ;)

he happened to be on a  caving holiday!!!!  the article says he just flew in from UK




















Thai Airways International Public Company Limited (THAI) welcomed the rescue team from United Kingdom to help finding of 12 youth football players and their coach, totaled 13 people who are trapped inside Kun Nam Nang Non cave in Mae Sai district, Chiang Rai province.
 
The three cave diving experts, Mr. Robert Charles Harper (3rd from left), Mr. Richard William Stanton (4th from left) and Mr. John Volanthen (5th from left) from British Cave Rescue Council arrived at Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport on today (27 June 2018) at 15.00 hours with THAI flight TG917, then connecting to Mae Fah Luang Chiang Rai International Airport with Bangkok Airways flight, arriving at 18.20 hours on the same day. The British rescue team was welcomed by Mr. Teerasak Kusalanondh (6th from left), THAI Ground Services Specialist, Load Control Services Department. THAI supported air tickets for the rescue team and transported rescue equipment from London to Thailand.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2018, 04:11:33 pm »
Today  - checking out child sized full face masks
Starts at 3:02


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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2018, 06:16:53 pm »
You can hardly blame media for minor mistakes I suppose. I have read about " oxygen bottles " a few times this week. I think a selfie photo of the boys in the Mail today was actually taken before they entered the cave not after they were found as stated. I think there is a bit of a frenzy in the UK to catch up on this story as it was rather neglected in the earlier stages. I rather doubt the three British cavers mentioned would welcome this personal publicity. Knowing one of them fairly well I cannot imagine he would. Strangely he was involved in rescuing me once though in rather different circumstances.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2018, 06:24:05 pm »
Off topic but another that annoys me ( being a certified marine radio operator -- well certainly certified ).

" Over and Out " . Its said by Clooney in Perfect Storm and Brad Pitt in Fury. Its a contradiction that would never be used in a one way radio conversation. Like " Oxygen Bottles " it will long endure.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2018, 06:43:29 pm »
Quite an extensive and obviously well informed interview just given on BBC local TV news ( South West ) by another Vurley team member and CDG chairman Martin Grass. Mainly discussing the option of diving the children out. Maybe asking them to be relatively passive with a full face mask. Perhaps then they can be towed out slowly. Training them to be proficient on Scuba does not seem an option in the short term.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2018, 07:01:14 pm »
Check out Newsnight tonight.

Quote from Geoff Crossley 'Going to be on Newsnight tonight with Les Hewitt talking about the Sleets Gill cave rescue as part of the Thailand cave rescue coverage.....😬😰
Mind you, Les will probably do all the talking. 😂'

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2018, 07:12:40 pm »
The famous video clip from last night, with both English and Thai subtitles.


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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2018, 07:43:02 pm »
We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned, so as to have the life waiting for us.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2018, 10:38:26 pm »
In earlier articles, there was some discussion about digging into the caves from blocked shafts further up the mountain.
Has this idea been dropped as the boys are now known to be in the wrong place for that to work?
Otherwise, it seemed like a good option - after all the Thai military probably have no lack of explosives...

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2018, 10:47:15 pm »
In earlier articles, there was some discussion about digging into the caves from blocked shafts further up the mountain.
Has this idea been dropped as the boys are now known to be in the wrong place for that to work?
Otherwise, it seemed like a good option - after all the Thai military probably have no lack of explosives...

I believe I read something saying the ledge they have found them on is too small to dig to I assume rockfall would be a big danger.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2018, 11:06:40 pm »
What is up stream from where they are? 
I am guessing more water but if the ledge they are on is small & they can't get higher where they are, is it a better option to go further in for now?

Anyone know?
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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2018, 11:30:24 pm »
Excellent discussion on Newsnight:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b98mky
"Economics is simply the branch of sociology that deals with people trading items and the fact that they use more numbers does not make it anymore of a science."

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #62 on: July 04, 2018, 06:15:56 pm »
A bit about Derbyshire CRO on Breakfast TV:

I'm not a complete idiot: some parts are missing!

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #63 on: July 04, 2018, 10:09:03 pm »
Fantastic efforts by rescue divers - especially UK ones.

Is this a show cave or part show cave as the footballers seem to be far into the system without any normal caving equipment?
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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #64 on: July 04, 2018, 10:19:55 pm »
Fantastic efforts by rescue divers - especially UK ones.

Is this a show cave or part show cave as the footballers seem to be far into the system without any normal caving equipment?

I would imagine the flooding forced them to go further in and caves different over there much warmer so don’t expect same gear and yes part show cave

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2018, 09:19:07 am »
I was passed this message which seems to be intended for all forum users/British cavers/the rescuers?,

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Congrats all round to you guys. You all sound like people who’s company I would have once enjoyed.

I added a comment in The Times letters yesterday. Something like this:

In 1954 I qualified as a RN D III diver (180’) worked in the ‘business’ later half of last century. Forty years ago I made up for a job a surface supplied free flow air supply to an AH 10 Air Diving helmet in swim gear, I later adapted it to Scuba limited duration of course. Now in my eighties all a bit vague. When the dust settles send me a name and address and I will send you copy of my book “Our Man in Phuket” by Alan R Cooke MBE.

Alan Cooke MBE
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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2018, 09:48:16 am »
From the Thai media


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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2018, 11:33:00 am »
It is a well known fact that it never rained on the famous May Day parades in Moscow ,apparently they achieved this by seeding any potential rain clouds with Cement dust dispersed by planes .
Not sure if this would work with Monsoon clouds but if things get desperate  it may be worth a try.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2018, 12:39:01 pm »
One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?
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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2018, 12:47:15 pm »
One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?

This was talked about early in the proceedings, so the authorities are aware of it. If it has not been done it is probably because the terrain makes it difficult or impossible.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2018, 12:50:47 pm »
I've a feeling based on no knowledge at all, that a 4.5 kilometer river cave must be either fed from a very large river, or a very large amount of small streams, which I would imagine is more likely in a forest environment (again assumption based on zero experience or knowledge).  Diverting all of them to somewhere that doesn't find it's way back into the cave will be surely impossible, diverting lots of them may have little effect, but if they have so many people in attendance, maybe every little helps?

When they were first found I've got to say I thought the job was all but done, then you look at the situation, 11 children who can't swim, 4.5 kilometers under ground, past flooded sections with a river to contend with, they've not eaten much for a week, possible language barrier, it adds up to a herculean task.   

Keep at it team, you've got this   :thumbsup:



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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #71 on: July 05, 2018, 01:00:50 pm »
One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?
I think that the problems with this are (a) finding the correct surface streams to divert, and (b) deciding where to divert the water to. However, you'll be pleased to know that this is being attempted - see http://www.caverescue.org.uk/tham-luang-nang-non-cave-thailand-update-4/

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2018, 01:14:19 pm »
Tonight Jason Mallinson and Chris Jewel checked in a plethora of equipment weighting 500kg / 1102 lbs at London Heathrow.

"The divers are flying 13 cylinders, four rebreathers, tubs of sofnolime (a substance that absorbs carbon dioxide in a rebreather), three drysuits and a pile of A clamp adaptors" stated Gavin Newman. The Thai air cylinders are fitted with A clamp valve fittings, and the British divers all have DIN first stages on their regulators. The divers are therefore having to fly in adaptors so that the local cylinders can be used.

It is expected that Mallinson and Jewel will be on site by tomorrow night, Thursday 5 July 2018.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #73 on: July 05, 2018, 01:58:44 pm »
I don't believe you. You're all part of the conspiracy about, err, something. Probably.

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Re: Rescue in Thailand
« Reply #74 on: July 05, 2018, 06:58:31 pm »
One thing that no one has mentioned and it's something UWFRA would do in floods is what about diverting the stream up stream of the cave. Surely there must be a known stream or two that could be damned and diverted away from the cave?
I think that the problems with this are (a) finding the correct surface streams to divert, and (b) deciding where to divert the water to. However, you'll be pleased to know that this is being attempted - see http://www.caverescue.org.uk/tham-luang-nang-non-cave-thailand-update-4/

See news now diverting streams