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Offline benshannon

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Sidetrack cave survey?
« on: December 21, 2019, 09:38:23 pm »
I stumbled upon sidetrack on youtube and it looks awesome. has anyone got a survey because i cant find one and my COPD is too old.

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2019, 09:58:52 pm »
The best I’ve got is this from the eldon quarry survey, but there’s more detail out there, I just don’t have the better survey to hand.

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2019, 10:32:31 pm »

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2019, 08:53:35 am »
It's not a difficult cave to navigate. The description in cave of Peak sufficed. However, getting to it either requires an abseil, or a descent of steep slope about 200m away and a traverse round on some sloping ledges to get to it.
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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2019, 09:12:42 am »
There is a bolt or two to do the abseil from. From memory a short rope (15m?) will suffice. You'll want a rope protector (old bag or carpet) for the edge, and it's all a little loose - beware of the person below you.

If you're really paranoid then rig direct to the anchors to make it harder for passers by to tamper with your rigging, worst case you could freeclimb back up if you had to.

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2019, 04:03:43 pm »
There is a bolt or two to do the abseil from. From memory a short rope (15m?) will suffice. You'll want a rope protector (old bag or carpet) for the edge, and it's all a little loose - beware of the person below you.

If you're really paranoid then rig direct to the anchors to make it harder for passers by to tamper with your rigging, worst case you could freeclimb back up if you had to.

"Au cheval" entrance crawl, and some cave bacon...enjoy.

I seem to remember we used a 10m electron ladder to access Sidetrack affixed to said bolt.

The cave is flat out crawling almost immediately you're in, some respite before the junction, then walking/stooping for rest of the cave. Some very nice areas to be seen at the ends, before flat out crawling back out.

Is there still a problem with parking by the gate. I seem to remember something a while back?

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2019, 05:34:38 pm »
Thanks guys. Looking forward to checking it out 😁 are there another caves in that area to scope out whilst down in the quarry?

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2019, 06:33:42 pm »
Convenience Cave is worth doing, whilst you're nearby:
https://registry.thedca.org.uk/sitedetails.php?id=77

Also, that (excellent) DCA Registry site shows you nearby cave, so it's worth you having a look around it.
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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2019, 10:41:29 pm »
It may be nothing, but last year when I visited Convenience, I had a wander round the quarry afterwards and had a look at the vein that Windle And Rush mine used to be on, in the SW corner. I didn't realise that there's the remains of a stope cutting the quarry face at an acute angle, with shotholes, pickwork, slickensides and traces of galena still attached. Given the workings at Windle and Rush went very, very deep and supposedly intersected the stream from the Coalpithole swallow on its way to Peak-Speedwell, it's an interesting area. The quarry floor itself was totally flat and backfilled, and the main shaft is long gone, but it did occur to me there might be a slim chance of finding a way into workings via the remaining vein exposure.

I'm not planning on trying, but I thought I'd just throw that in ;)

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2019, 10:55:07 pm »
It may be nothing, but last year when I visited Convenience, I had a wander round the quarry afterwards and had a look at the vein that Windle And Rush mine used to be on, in the SW corner. I didn't realise that there's the remains of a stope cutting the quarry face at an acute angle, with shotholes, pickwork, slickensides and traces of galena still attached. Given the workings at Windle and Rush went very, very deep and supposedly intersected the stream from the Coalpithole swallow on its way to Peak-Speedwell, it's an interesting area. The quarry floor itself was totally flat and backfilled, and the main shaft is long gone, but it did occur to me there might be a slim chance of finding a way into workings via the remaining vein exposure.

I'm not planning on trying, but I thought I'd just throw that in ;)

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2019, 11:53:13 pm »
If they've already done the hard part, why not? ;)

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2019, 08:04:38 pm »
Phil, d'ya mean that natural looking wall (with slickensides ) to the right of Convenience as you face south?  I always wondered if that was the rift in Nervous Breakdown that the Orpheus entered back in the 70's (I think) when the quarry was still working.  I'm sure they described it as ending in a low crawl  that ended in a choked passage or similar which was possibly the start of what is now Convenience.  I used to have a copy of the Nervous Breakdown report but god knows where it is.  Pete Wagstaff or Jenny Potts may have it and there may be more clues in that report of you can get a copy.

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2019, 09:55:51 pm »
Windle and Rush vein is at the Sidetrack end of the quarry, Jim. Incidentally, I overlaid the 1898 OS onto Google Earth several years ago and it put the location of the main shaft on the upper bench, a bit further along from Sidetrack - has anyone ever had a good look at the boulder pile there?
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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2019, 10:09:30 pm »
Windle and Rush vein is at the Sidetrack end of the quarry, Jim. Incidentally, I overlaid the 1898 OS onto Google Earth several years ago and it put the location of the main shaft on the upper bench, a bit further along from Sidetrack - has anyone ever had a good look at the boulder pile there?

Blame Phil then..... he said SW.  I guess its not my job to be as confused as Phil is though :lol:

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2019, 10:44:27 pm »
Phil, d'ya mean that natural looking wall (with slickensides ) to the right of Convenience as you face south?  I always wondered if that was the rift in Nervous Breakdown that the Orpheus entered back in the 70's (I think) when the quarry was still working.  I'm sure they described it as ending in a low crawl  that ended in a choked passage or similar which was possibly the start of what is now Convenience.  I used to have a copy of the Nervous Breakdown report but god knows where it is.  Pete Wagstaff or Jenny Potts may have it and there may be more clues in that report of you can get a copy.

Have a look in The Lyre No 5:  http://www.orpheuscavingclub.org.uk/documents/Lyres/The%20Lyre%20No%205%20-%20Sep%2081%20(O.110).pdf
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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2019, 03:47:00 pm »
Yep, sorry Jim, my mistake - I did mean SE. I was in a rush as always. But as to that big natural wall you mentioned near Convenience, it is an impressive sight to be sure. I don't know much about the history of all this so any info is gratefully appreciated.

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2019, 02:03:18 pm »
The grid ref given for Nervous Breakdown is exactly the same as Convenience now occupies... (So the wall may well be all that is left of British Summertime Rift?)

Previous discussions about other features in the quarry:
https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=21992.0

& https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=17892.0
« Last Edit: December 28, 2019, 02:26:22 pm by mikem »

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2019, 02:54:00 pm »
Also Windle & Rush Mine: https://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=18099.0

https://www.aditnow.co.uk/Mines/Windle-Rush-Lead-Mine_17408/
Slitherstone Mines is a later name given to workings from Windle and Rush, Two Rakes and Birchs Hall Mines.

https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1019003

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Re: Sidetrack cave survey?
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2020, 06:51:18 pm »
Appreciate this is an old post on which to comment but thought it worth adding that several buildings have now been constructed in the quarry entrance, unsure how this has / will affect access? Anyone know anything about this?
Edit. Now seen other thread about Eldon Q .. no access for a while due to film crew, not permanent access ban.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2020, 07:05:59 pm by Nick Canute »

 

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