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Re: Passage names
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2020, 08:34:01 am »
Back to the Platypus - why is the assumption that it was broken by vandalism ("...some twat stood on it and broke it off").  We've had several incredible floods in the area over recent years. Flood water in parts of the system has been 30m high.  The power of this especially when draining down is unimaginable.  The rock is exposed and fractured.  Natural erosion could easily have played a part.

..and while we're on names, there's a Vandals passage somewhere, isn't there?

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2020, 08:37:55 am »
PS - does anyone else think the photographs of the Platypus above are not all of the same thing?  The first two look very different from the later two.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2020, 08:40:53 am »
Back to the Platypus - why is the assumption that it was broken by vandalism ("...some twat stood on it and broke it off").

Possibly, according to Duckditch who knew the perpetrator, because that was what happened.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2020, 09:01:05 am »
Well, there seems to some confusion here taking all the above posts into account.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2020, 09:30:54 am »
The first two pics are definitely of something else (as noted by Trogger & langcliffe in following posts), it's also possible that the perpetrator broke something different again (doesn't seem to have changed that much in other two pics, although they are from slightly different angles), but he could well have stood on it to see if there was anything higher up, which levered the already fractured end off...

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2020, 01:59:17 pm »
Apologies, skim read the thread and missed some of the crucial bits out.  Mystified by the photos, dates, etc.  Anyway digressing from names.

Long Kin West and Pugwash Passage, the site of a (near) recent breakthrough.  Pugwash passage was so called because a certain person was practically blinded in one eye while pushing this many years ago.  Although it actually turned out that it wasn't Captain Pugwash who had one eye - it was Cut-Throat Jake.  Hence after the breakthrough we entered Cut-Throat Chamber.  And then climbed the Black Pig Avens (Captain Pugwash's Ship).  Later after a pause we broke into the Hostile Environment.  Nothing to do with Pugwash and his mates but by then Windrush was in full swing in the media.

...and the relevance of this to the OP is that Pugwash is the upstream continuation of the Late Breakfast Series.  ;D

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2020, 09:48:19 pm »
Here’s are two more (well, not passage names, but nevertheless cave feature names) from the Easegill System . . . both, sadly, now gone:

Platypus Junction
The Plumber’s Nightmare

And another from the archives - Plummber's Nightmare

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2020, 10:45:35 pm »
More names:

The first three pitches of Strans Gill Pot are called Faith (Pitch), Hope (Pitch) and Charity (Pitch).

Now, I’ve not heard it straight from the guys who originally explored this pothole (Harry Long et al.), but from the nature of the pitches (P-1 and P-2 quite short, but tight and awkward, so you need faith in your capacity to get back up the first, you can only hope you’ll get back up the second, while P-3 is a big pitch of ca. 150 ft in a large rift).

I guess that they must be named after the bit in the Bible where St Paul says (I paraphrase):

I commend unto thee these three, Faith, Hope and Charity, and the greatest of these is Charity.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2020, 06:58:25 am »
Yet more names.

Marilyn:  It wasn’t surveyed by the diggers but a different team within the club, so they were unaware of the names of the pitches as it was being dug.

The entrance is named “Seven Year Pitch”, the first underground pitch with boot-sized top is “Some Like It Not” followed by “Gentlemen prefer Blonde” then along the crawl to “Niagara” dropping into Disappointment Pot.

Unfortunately the first three pitches seemed to get rolled into one once they were rigged for SRT.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2020, 12:40:55 pm »
That is very interesting.

I find it odd in the Dales when a cave isn't named as a pot or a cave.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2020, 01:03:00 pm »
Boggart's roaring holes...

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2020, 01:37:35 pm »
Boggart's roaring holes...

A nice piece of Victoriana... It was named by Balderstone: see "Ingleton Bygone and Present", page 45.

"We measured the depth through the later and found a stoppage at fifty-three feet ; then on entering the yawning aperture the process was repeated with a similar result, but on throwing stones downwards these appeared to go much further than the line, clinking onwards. At length there was a cessation of the clatter, but there began to creep upwards another dull sound, something between a roar and a growl in its intonation, appearing to come from a deep cavern far to the southwest— hence the name of Boggart's Roaring Hole that we have applied to this place, which heretofore was nameless. Prompted by the results obtained from mere sound, we cast the line further in to see if the obstruction in the way of the plummet could be avoided, with the astonishing result that the depth proved to be nearly three times the amount already obtained. The line was then sent down from the opening above and shaken past the obstacle when the depth was found to be one hundred and forty-five feet, with a slope above of fifteen more."
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Re: Passage names
« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2020, 08:33:02 pm »
The “Drain Queens Highway” in Cliffe Force Cave was named after the discoverers wife who was a hydrologist.
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2020, 08:36:42 pm »
Here is what I am led to believe is the reasoning behind the naming of Ireby Fell Cavern by the BSA when they discovered it in 1949.

The first 2 pitches Ding and Dong are named after the phrase ‘dingdong’ often used in carry on films when a man sees a beautiful woman.
‘Cavers wish to return to the womb and see caving as a sexual act.  Female cavers dont exists. If they do they suffer from penis envy’.. Sigmund Freud et al.  So it is true. Please do not read on if you are offended.
So now that the cavers has penetrated the beautiful cave (ding dong).  They are now proud of there penis hence the name Bell pitch as in Bell end.
Pussy pitch is next, resembling a vagina and is quickly used.
You are now Well (pitch) into the cave.
A deviation from the way on is Glory Holes representing the several orifices that can be utilised.   Indeed North East Passage is a common phrase for the back passage.  Finally Duke Street is a reference to the Grand Old Duke of York, because he HAD 10,000 men.

Many cavers think the pitch and passage names are taken from a popular  and childish nursery rhyme, but the BSA were a sexually frustrated group of Cavers.  I think we all know what is more likely.
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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2020, 09:52:38 pm »
Hmmmmmmm . . . well, if penis envy exists, I think it’s a purely practical manifestation of what it must be like for a woman in a cave, in a small boat out on the ocean, up on a mountain, wherever, who wants to take a piss – and she sees how easy it is for a bloke (and fuck Fraud err, sorry, Freud).

Be that as it may, I wonder where the name ‘Lante Shop Cave’ came from.

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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2020, 10:19:17 pm »
Unfortunately for the hypothesis, Carry on Nurse was released until 1959 ;)

Is lante shop an anagram?
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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2020, 07:52:12 am »
I think Freuds sexual psychology is of course rubbish. I was trying to take the piss out of it. Every word of my post was meant to be funny. 
Having said that the BSA in 1939 were just as sexually frustrated as in 1949.  Lante Shop Cave was originally called Lanty Shop Cave.  You are correct it is an anagram of Lace Panty Oh.  Due to the entrance shape.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #42 on: April 20, 2020, 08:04:35 pm »
Can you shed any light on why it was called Attila the Huns Sardine Cannery?
Just a flight of fancy or did you find an old tin of sardines in the dig.

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #43 on: April 20, 2020, 08:34:18 pm »
Can you shed any light on why it was called Attila the Huns Sardine Cannery?
Just a flight of fancy or did you find an old tin of sardines in the dig.

I believe there is no significance to it at all, other than the fact that it is tight and a pretty awful (possibly awesome) bit of cave. Incidentally, when I helped Duncan Price re-survey this a few years ago, we were able to push the "end" by moving a couple of small rocks to a boulder slope, which ascended back to the main passage, allowing us to close the loop on the survey and avoid the crawl back out  ;D
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Re: Passage names
« Reply #44 on: April 21, 2020, 09:16:18 am »
Can you shed any light on why it was called Attila the Huns Sardine Cannery?
Just a flight of fancy or did you find an old tin of sardines in the dig.

I believe there is no significance to it at all, other than the fact that it is tight and a pretty awful (possibly awesome) bit of cave. Incidentally, when I helped Duncan Price re-survey this a few years ago, we were able to push the "end" by moving a couple of small rocks to a boulder slope, which ascended back to the main passage, allowing us to close the loop on the survey and avoid the crawl back out  ;D

Here's the "official line" from "Who was Aveline anyway"

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Attila the Hun's Sardine Cannery, Wookey Hole Cave - a passage above the lake in Wookey 20 explored in 1983 and named by Rob Harper. The bedding plane approach suggested the Sardine Cannery and Rob's fascination for ancient hordes supplied Attila the Hun.

It is effectively the lower end of an inclined bedding forming the Wookey 20 main passage divided from it by rocks.

In Wookey 22 there is an aven called the "Mongol Hordes Information Office"

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2020, 09:46:07 am »
Naming parts of a new cave is a complex procedure. I quite like the idea of a double meaning where the discovery time is linked to something topical and may also have a meaning relating to the area in question. In our case it sometimes lead to argument and inaction as we see at Vurley. ( I still dont know where Vurley originates )

The Frozen Deep epic took place on the 200th birth anniversary of the writer Charles Dickens. We ended up with -

Great Expectations. ( there were ).
Hard Times ( it was )
The Frozen Deep I came up with. A play performed by Dickens relating to the Franklin Expedition in the Arctic where all were lost. The relation to the cave was that the first thing we saw was a huge wall of stal that looked like ice. Later when cryogenic material was found in plenty there the name became even more relevant.

Resurrection also had two meanings. Old resurrected diggers found it and it continued the Easter story started by Willie Stanton at Golgotha .

The series was completed by Ascension and Heaven's Landing both descriptive of the area as well.

Skyfall could have been Chicken Licken Choke but became Skyfall as the film was on at the time and boulders fell from the sky.   ( My broken arm there ).

Pickwick Passage and Dingley Dell were also Dicken's references in Reservoir Hole.

La La Land was named after the film award fiasco which happened at the time. It also signified the many loose boulders there where there. It was better to sing la la la and pretend not to notice them.

WIShyou Were Here incorporated Willie Stanton's initials and signified the agonising wait for the rest of the team to return from Iceland.


Maidez in Vurley was the French term for Mayday as it was found on May the first.

We never got around to naming the four pitches as the survey remained incomplete.


As newsletter editor for Cerberus I named a lot of stuff at Fairy Cave Quarry. These included -

Withyhill and Hillwithy both essentially part of Withybrook - Hilliers streamway. A simple word reversal.

In St Dunsatns well I had -

Domestos Bend ( horrible u shaped duck )
The Buttocks. ( a tight squeeze )

In Withyhill.

Stal Shuffle
Fatbelly Rift. ( you have one if you can't walk through it - I can't now )
Green Lake Chamber
Jonathan's Chamber. My son was one when I found it.
We never named the big chamber at the end

Caves I named in the Quarry

Rumble Tumble Hole
Roses Rift
Culdesac Pot
Prices Purgatory ( as he was a slim youth then we pushed him down it ).

I was using the names to save the best for me. It never happened

In WL ( Whitaker Lavis ) we found Hammer and Chisel Rifts. The tools we used.

Whilst in house digging team jokes look fine they are often beyond the wit and understanding of others.

Naming caves or parts of caves after people is now considered to be rather unacceptable. Chipchase Chasm will never be seen.

Our new chamber at Fairy Cave Quarry had suggestions for Corvid Chamber relating to the pandemic and Jackdaws in the quarry. The feeling is that in time its something we won't want to be reminded of.


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Re: Passage names
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Re: Passage names
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2020, 11:24:13 am »
I find it extremely difficult to name passages, even ones I've discovered. For someone with an extremely active imagination I find it almost impossible - not coming up with some words, that's the easy part - it's the philosophical conundrum of why those words, and to which part of the system they're applied, especially if there's no clear distinction between sections - often a transition between a passage and a chamber can be very gradual. And even more so if the place has demonstrably been occupied by previous tenants, i.e. miners. In our current project I think I've only named one passage and that was only as it was relatively confusing for folks which one I was talking about.

Maybe if it gets bigger, but I may still have to leave that job to someone else - though beer/drinking references are banned  :halo:

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2020, 01:03:14 pm »
It is a dream of mine to locate a group of caves, name the series Every Hole's a Goal, and name every cave in it  after a famous goal - e.g.

Maradona v England Pot
Van Persie v Spain Hole
Roberto Carlos v France Cavern

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Re: Passage names
« Reply #49 on: May 13, 2020, 06:40:06 am »
My favourite is "duck with a bicycle pump up its arse". This is a passage was a low duck in Northern Vietnam cave. This fantastic name came from our team visiting a cafe in Vietnam where they saw a duck ( dead) with a person inflating it using a bicycle pump . Don't ask me why he was doing this but we did find it amusing hence the passage name. Mick Nunwick I believe came up with the name.

 

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